Hey all. I'd like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.
I want to preface this by saying this is not in a 'ceding the issue' way. Over the past year I've been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I've internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.
The reason it's taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.
I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.
The consensus we've roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I'll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we'll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.
We literally had a burning zionist flag representation already just without the star of david. So yes it seemed like they are really hung up on the burning star of david part, also as I have shown in this very thread the exact same talking point was used by an actual anti-semite just yesterday. Again this comes from Z_poster repeatedly deliberately misrepresenting the arguments of others, not just me, to make accusations. This has been going on with this individual for YEARS. You are doing the same thing by refusing to acknowledge their history of this behavior. This is not about this current struggle session it is about this specific user repeatedly doing the shit you are accusing me of and I am fucking tired of it. They should have just fucked off years ago when they first got banned yet their contributions to the news mega have afforded them the same special treatment I am now being accused of receiving. I am done here. Go ahead and have your last word I honestly don't give a fuck.
Also you really wanna frame it as "wanting to add the star of David", rather than just wanting the actual fucking flag but okay.
We had an imaginary flag of an organization that hasn't existed for 80 years.
I asked this elsewhere, but enlighten us on this. I've seen lots of talking past one another with ZPoster, for sure. But the accusations that this defense of the flag is the same as any Zionist defense of it was just correct and was constantly avoided with discussion shut downs, vague accusations of racism and anti-Semitism, and the like. ZPoster we should deal with for the other stuff in a different thread. And if you want to claim that your actions are entirely because of that, not because of any ideological failures, then handle that there. I'd encourage you to start that thread and I'll deal with it fairly in that context, where I think you likely have a point about ZPosters behavior (though I've still seen pretty limited evidence to now).
But blaming that for your treatment of this topic is incorrect and you should reflect on that. We are all coming to the conclusion that ZPoster was correct on this topic and so your blanket treatment was still wrong and either came out of overreach and defensiveness, or from you being ideologically supportive of the Zionist position regarding the flag.
I've said it many times, the emoji isn't of near the importance that this ideological battle is. And I've only seen you digress (give into the new position) and not acknowledge that you contributed and argued for the wrong position in a derisive way