California’s Top Methane Emitter is a Vast Cattle Feedlot. For Now, Federal and State Greenhouse Gas Regulators Are Giving It a Pass. (insideclimatenews.org)

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Not to mention the amount of water required for operations like this

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Or the amount of rainforest that was burned down to produce soy to feed to those.

It's just irresponsible to accept meat as a default food option.

Even if you don't go vegan completely no-one should have it more than once a week. Slowly cutting back now makes it way less expensive and also easier once the regulations happen - and it also shows the politicians that they have people behind them for regulations like that, too

[-] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago

hardly any soy goes to cattle at all

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

While technically true, more than ¾ of it goes to animal agriculture.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

the owid article shows exactly what I said.

[-] [email protected] -5 points 2 years ago

Abbott 85% of the global soy crop is pressed for oil for human use: livestock are mostly fed the industrial waste from that process

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Brazil sells soy mostly to feed pigs and chickens in China

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

pigs and chickens are mostly fed soy cake: the industrial waste from making soybean oil

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Going to copy my comment from above:

Soybean meal is not a byproduct of soybean production either. It's the main source of revenue

When we look at the most common extraction method for soybean oil (using hexane solvents), soybean meal is still the driver of demand

However, soybean meal is the main driving force for soybean oil production due to its significant amount of productivity and revenues

[...]

soybean meal and hulls contribute to over 60% of total revenues, with meal taking the largest portion of over 59% of total revenue

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0926669017305010

This is even more true of other methods like expelling which is still somewhat commonly used

Moreover, soybean meal is the driving force for the whole process [expelling oil from soy] because it provides over 70% of the total revenue for soy processing by expelling

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0472/9/5/87

Even other extraction methods being explored in research as well don't have soybean oil as the main driver of demand

From the results, soybean oil makes up around 24% of total revenues; revenue from insoluble fiber makes over 70%, due to the large amounts produced throughout the process. [of Enzyme-Assisted Aqueous Extraction]

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jasreen-Sekhon/publication/330375817_Economic_Feasibility_of_Soybean_Oil_Production_by_Enzyme-Assisted_Aqueous_Extraction_Processing/links/5c49d531a6fdccd6b5c586b6/Economic-Feasibility-of-Soybean-Oil-Production-by-Enzyme-Assisted-Aqueous-Extraction-Processing.pdf

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Soybean meal is not a byproduct of soybean production either. It's the main source of revenue

these aren't mutually exclusive

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

it's the bulk of the weight of the bean, but it isn't the reason it's grown

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Hexane extraction is the most common method used in the industry to produce soybean oil due to its high oil recovery and lower production cost. With the demands of soybean oil increasing either in food or industrial applications, expansion plans are considered by many companies to increase production capacity.

I can't believe how dishonestly you are trying to cherrypick those papers

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

More than three-quarters (77%) of soy is used as feed for livestock.

https://ourworldindata.org/soy#more-than-three-quarters-of-global-soy-is-fed-to-animals

Soybean meal is not a byproduct of soybean production either. It's the main source of revenue

When we look at the most common extraction method for soybean oil (using hexane solvents), soybean meal is still the driver of demand

However, soybean meal is the main driving force for soybean oil production due to its significant amount of productivity and revenues

[...]

soybean meal and hulls contribute to over 60% of total revenues, with meal taking the largest portion of over 59% of total revenue

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0926669017305010

This is even more true of other methods like expelling which is still somewhat commonly used

Moreover, soybean meal is the driving force for the whole process [expelling oil from soy] because it provides over 70% of the total revenue for soy processing by expelling

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0472/9/5/87

Even other extraction methods being explored in research as well don't have soybean oil as the main driver of demand

From the results, soybean oil makes up around 24% of total revenues; revenue from insoluble fiber makes over 70%, due to the large amounts produced throughout the process. [of Enzyme-Assisted Aqueous Extraction]

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

it is the bulk of the weight of the bean, but that isn't the reason it's grown

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Hexane extraction is the most common method used in the industry to produce soybean oil due to its high oil recovery and lower production cost. With the demands of soybean oil increasing either in food or industrial applications, expansion plans are considered by many companies to increase production capacity.

I can't believe how dishonestly you are trying to cherrypick those papers

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

That's much more cherrypicked quote ignoring the "however" part about how soybean meal being the main driver of production

It's quite a thing to claim someone else is cherrypicing and ignore critical context. I don't see much point in continuing this discussion if that's how things are going to go

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

I pulled that straight out of the abstract

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Soybean meal is not a byproduct of soybean production either. It's the main source of revenue

these aren't mutually exclusive

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

In the context of production, a by-product is the "output from a joint production process that is minor in quantity and/or net realizable value (NRV) when compared with the main products".[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By-product

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

soy oil punches way above it's weight in value.

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