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O no! Not the nazisss
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So you think the Soviets should've let the Nazis take Poland, got it. Guess you think the Holocaust wasn't that bad after all? I would hope not, but the direct consequence of the Soviets waiting any longer than they did (17 days, Britain and France declared war after 2 but did jack shit) would be more Holocaust.
As for Katyn, no, this isn't conspiracy theory. The basic facts of the execution method being the same, Goebbels reporting on it, and the materials being Nazi-made all point to Nazi involvement. Anti-communist organizations and governments agreeing with Goebbels despite the evidence doesn't mean it's a conspiracy theory:
The roots of tying the Soviets to Katyn lie in trying to push Holocaust trivialization by making the Soviets out to be as "bad as the Nazis," thereby uplifting the Nazis and demonizing the Soviets.
I've been arguing for means to prevent invasion (from either side) from the beginning.
I mean according to the field of researchers, the relevant governments (even the one responsible for it), it very much is. USSR admitted to it, the legal successor state admitted to it, lot of the damning documents have been declassified... It's dead, Jim.
Tbh it would be a conspiracy theory in either case since you think there's a conspiracy to hide the truth.
You list no means that the Soviets didn't already try. You're effectively wishing for magic.
Back to Katyn, you have no explanation for why the bullets were German and produced in 1941, why the rope was German, the method Nazi, and the originator of the story Goebbels. There's mountains of evidence against the documents listed as "proof" of Soviet guilt:
Skip to the "forgeries" section.
Gotcha, the Soviets should have risked entering a war they weren't certain they could win and weren't certain the west wouldn't flip on them. In other words, you wish they had committed suicide for Poland.
As for Katyn, it's the same source that you read earlier, it's Grover Furr's blog. Grover Furr often makes poor arguments, but the historical evidence he presents is valid. You can't explain the factual discrepancies in the documents, the eyewitness accounts stating that the Nazis did it, nor the German ammunition from 1941, nor the German produced rope, nor the Nazi execution methods, nor why you're agreeing with Goebbels, who first created the story and whose account the anti-communist governments agree with. In absence of a response, you just say "No" and "Hah."
Harry Truman later, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:
We don't know that, nor if the attack on Poland would've gone ahead with the threat from both sides. That's why it would've been a gamble. Then again, so was making a deal with them, Germany might have continued on the attack once both sides met in Poland.
Gotcha, so your point is that you denounce the Soviets for not taking an almost assured loss, and you do tkae Goebbels at his word even when evidence points to the contrary.
I mean I'm denouncing everyone else too who didn't do more to stop the Nazis.
The Soviets did the most before, during, and after World War II, and it isn't close.
I'm not sure how you'd measure it but they sure sacrificed a lot.
20 million Soviet lives, countless buildings and factories, massive amounts of resources and material. It was by far the most.
And yet you wish they had sacrificed more