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[–] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Americans were like that during the Bush years. Illegal wars, torture, inept cronyism.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I kind of excused some of that due to societal PTSD from 9/11 but in retrospect around half of Americans just fucking suck.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    One could see how bloodthirsty they were as soon as they saw the opportunity to have extrajudicial punishment and the opportunity to kill a lot of brown people.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    societal PTSD from 9/11

    I feel 9/11 was less of a "we were struck by the ravages of war" and more of a "how dare they shoot back" event. If it was like the bombing of London by the Nazis, that makes most people reluctant to go to war instead of making war popular.

    I mean, who looks at 9/11 and says "we want more of this"? Apparently most Americans?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    1/4 to 1/3 at most. Remember most eligible voters don't vote.

    EDIT: it's also worth noting that many can't vote. Like voting day not being a public holiday and they cant get off work, mail-in not being available, public transport not being free on voting day, or simply being purged from voting rolls.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not voting when the stakes are this high is as shitty as voting for Trump. Plus approval statistics don't care if you voted or not.

    If anything, more than half of Americans suck at this point.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's also worth noting that many americans are prevented from voting. Cannot get time off work, polling station too far, mail in not available, purged from voter roll.

    It's still crazy to me that voting day is not a public holiday in the US and that all public transport is not free on that day.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Remember most eligible voters don’t vote.

    Voter turnout in the 2024 election was 63.7%. That's still a lot of folks who didn't vote, but it's not "most."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    But of the total adult population, only a minority votes. 63.7% is only of the registered voters.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I got the number from this page: https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_voter_turnout_in_the_2024_general_election

    which lists it as "eligible voters," which is in turn based on data from here: https://election.lab.ufl.edu/2024-general-election-turnout/

    which discusses the methodology:

    The denominator for these VEP turnout rates is constructed by estimating the voting-age population or VAP (everyone age 18 and older residing in the United States). Ineligible populations are subtracted from the VAP consisting of non-citizens and felons (depending on state disenfranchisement laws). Eligible overseas voters are added to the national VEP estimates only as no reliable method exists to apportion these eligible voters to states.

    So no, it's not just registered voters. It's their best estimate of how many people are old enough and not disqualified.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is not even close to the same thing as the Bush years.

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  • [+] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    This post deserves more attention. It's disappointing how short people's memory is and how few can see the bigger picture. It didn't start with Trump and it's not going to end with him. I like to think of this administration like a comic relief that's not very funny.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The current regime is just the next step in authoritarian fascism from the Trump era. Democrats should have arrested and exposed all the criminals but they prefer neoliberal economics and performative actions over justice.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No, Bush and Trump are not alike. Bush at least had some principles. Temp has none

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Bush is an international war criminal and a US criminal by lying to congress to start multiple wars.

    The fact that America didn’t have the balls to arrest its previous criminals only allowed the next set of criminals to take it even further.

    America is a land full of subservient serfs that want an authoritarian figure to rule over them. They don’t even care if their master is a child rapist.

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