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[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 49 points 1 year ago (3 children) Americans were like that during the Bush years. Illegal wars, torture, inept cronyism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TipRing@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (3 children) I kind of excused some of that due to societal PTSD from 9/11 but in retrospect around half of Americans just fucking suck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) One could see how bloodthirsty they were as soon as they saw the opportunity to have extrajudicial punishment and the opportunity to kill a lot of brown people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago i was in college in utah. people at there were openly talking in the lunchroom about how excited they were to kill muslims. every time i'd challenge that narrative dozens of people would shout it down. it was disgusting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) societal PTSD from 9/11 I feel 9/11 was less of a "we were struck by the ravages of war" and more of a "how dare they shoot back" event. If it was like the bombing of London by the Nazis, that makes most people reluctant to go to war instead of making war popular. I mean, who looks at 9/11 and says "we want more of this"? Apparently most Americans? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] xyzzy@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) 1/4 to 1/3 at most. Remember most eligible voters don't vote. EDIT: it's also worth noting that many can't vote. Like voting day not being a public holiday and they cant get off work, mail-in not being available, public transport not being free on voting day, or simply being purged from voting rolls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iglou@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not voting when the stakes are this high is as shitty as voting for Trump. Plus approval statistics don't care if you voted or not. If anything, more than half of Americans suck at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's also worth noting that many americans are prevented from voting. Cannot get time off work, polling station too far, mail in not available, purged from voter roll. It's still crazy to me that voting day is not a public holiday in the US and that all public transport is not free on that day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iglou@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago* In France voting day is always a Sunday to prevent issues like this. It seems very anti-democratic to not make sure that almost all the voting population can find the time for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago His poll numbers are still in the 40s permalink fedilink source parent [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Remember most eligible voters don’t vote. Voter turnout in the 2024 election was 63.7%. That's still a lot of folks who didn't vote, but it's not "most." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But of the total adult population, only a minority votes. 63.7% is only of the registered voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago I got the number from this page: https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_voter_turnout_in_the_2024_general_election which lists it as "eligible voters," which is in turn based on data from here: https://election.lab.ufl.edu/2024-general-election-turnout/ which discusses the methodology: The denominator for these VEP turnout rates is constructed by estimating the voting-age population or VAP (everyone age 18 and older residing in the United States). Ineligible populations are subtracted from the VAP consisting of non-citizens and felons (depending on state disenfranchisement laws). Eligible overseas voters are added to the national VEP estimates only as no reliable method exists to apportion these eligible voters to states. So no, it's not just registered voters. It's their best estimate of how many people are old enough and not disqualified. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (3 children) This is not even close to the same thing as the Bush years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] bigfondue@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ougie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago This post deserves more attention. It's disappointing how short people's memory is and how few can see the bigger picture. It didn't start with Trump and it's not going to end with him. I like to think of this administration like a comic relief that's not very funny. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago The current regime is just the next step in authoritarian fascism from the Trump era. Democrats should have arrested and exposed all the criminals but they prefer neoliberal economics and performative actions over justice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago What's new is that an American politician uses all the dirty tricks on the US itself instead of a country on the other side of the globe. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) No, Bush and Trump are not alike. Bush at least had some principles. Temp has none permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Bush is an international war criminal and a US criminal by lying to congress to start multiple wars. The fact that America didn’t have the balls to arrest its previous criminals only allowed the next set of criminals to take it even further. America is a land full of subservient serfs that want an authoritarian figure to rule over them. They don’t even care if their master is a child rapist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemmes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I mean, at least he went to congress. You’re right though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago No, Bush just had some decorum. Trump is also taking advantage of the weakening of institutions and norms that occurred during the Bush administration. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago “Now watch this drive” permalink fedilink source parent [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Bush deliberately accelerated the execution of majority poor black and Latino men in Texas as a popularity contest before he even thought about running for president. He only seems affable because he's rich. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (3 children) I kind of excused some of that due to societal PTSD from 9/11 but in retrospect around half of Americans just fucking suck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) One could see how bloodthirsty they were as soon as they saw the opportunity to have extrajudicial punishment and the opportunity to kill a lot of brown people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago i was in college in utah. people at there were openly talking in the lunchroom about how excited they were to kill muslims. every time i'd challenge that narrative dozens of people would shout it down. it was disgusting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) societal PTSD from 9/11 I feel 9/11 was less of a "we were struck by the ravages of war" and more of a "how dare they shoot back" event. If it was like the bombing of London by the Nazis, that makes most people reluctant to go to war instead of making war popular. I mean, who looks at 9/11 and says "we want more of this"? Apparently most Americans? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] xyzzy@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) 1/4 to 1/3 at most. Remember most eligible voters don't vote. EDIT: it's also worth noting that many can't vote. Like voting day not being a public holiday and they cant get off work, mail-in not being available, public transport not being free on voting day, or simply being purged from voting rolls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iglou@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not voting when the stakes are this high is as shitty as voting for Trump. Plus approval statistics don't care if you voted or not. If anything, more than half of Americans suck at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's also worth noting that many americans are prevented from voting. Cannot get time off work, polling station too far, mail in not available, purged from voter roll. It's still crazy to me that voting day is not a public holiday in the US and that all public transport is not free on that day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iglou@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago* In France voting day is always a Sunday to prevent issues like this. It seems very anti-democratic to not make sure that almost all the voting population can find the time for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago His poll numbers are still in the 40s permalink fedilink source parent [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Remember most eligible voters don’t vote. Voter turnout in the 2024 election was 63.7%. That's still a lot of folks who didn't vote, but it's not "most." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But of the total adult population, only a minority votes. 63.7% is only of the registered voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago I got the number from this page: https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_voter_turnout_in_the_2024_general_election which lists it as "eligible voters," which is in turn based on data from here: https://election.lab.ufl.edu/2024-general-election-turnout/ which discusses the methodology: The denominator for these VEP turnout rates is constructed by estimating the voting-age population or VAP (everyone age 18 and older residing in the United States). Ineligible populations are subtracted from the VAP consisting of non-citizens and felons (depending on state disenfranchisement laws). Eligible overseas voters are added to the national VEP estimates only as no reliable method exists to apportion these eligible voters to states. So no, it's not just registered voters. It's their best estimate of how many people are old enough and not disqualified. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) One could see how bloodthirsty they were as soon as they saw the opportunity to have extrajudicial punishment and the opportunity to kill a lot of brown people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago i was in college in utah. people at there were openly talking in the lunchroom about how excited they were to kill muslims. every time i'd challenge that narrative dozens of people would shout it down. it was disgusting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago i was in college in utah. people at there were openly talking in the lunchroom about how excited they were to kill muslims. every time i'd challenge that narrative dozens of people would shout it down. it was disgusting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) societal PTSD from 9/11 I feel 9/11 was less of a "we were struck by the ravages of war" and more of a "how dare they shoot back" event. If it was like the bombing of London by the Nazis, that makes most people reluctant to go to war instead of making war popular. I mean, who looks at 9/11 and says "we want more of this"? Apparently most Americans? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] xyzzy@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] xyzzy@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) 1/4 to 1/3 at most. Remember most eligible voters don't vote. EDIT: it's also worth noting that many can't vote. Like voting day not being a public holiday and they cant get off work, mail-in not being available, public transport not being free on voting day, or simply being purged from voting rolls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iglou@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not voting when the stakes are this high is as shitty as voting for Trump. Plus approval statistics don't care if you voted or not. If anything, more than half of Americans suck at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's also worth noting that many americans are prevented from voting. Cannot get time off work, polling station too far, mail in not available, purged from voter roll. It's still crazy to me that voting day is not a public holiday in the US and that all public transport is not free on that day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iglou@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago* In France voting day is always a Sunday to prevent issues like this. It seems very anti-democratic to not make sure that almost all the voting population can find the time for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago His poll numbers are still in the 40s permalink fedilink source parent [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Remember most eligible voters don’t vote. Voter turnout in the 2024 election was 63.7%. That's still a lot of folks who didn't vote, but it's not "most." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But of the total adult population, only a minority votes. 63.7% is only of the registered voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago I got the number from this page: https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_voter_turnout_in_the_2024_general_election which lists it as "eligible voters," which is in turn based on data from here: https://election.lab.ufl.edu/2024-general-election-turnout/ which discusses the methodology: The denominator for these VEP turnout rates is constructed by estimating the voting-age population or VAP (everyone age 18 and older residing in the United States). Ineligible populations are subtracted from the VAP consisting of non-citizens and felons (depending on state disenfranchisement laws). Eligible overseas voters are added to the national VEP estimates only as no reliable method exists to apportion these eligible voters to states. So no, it's not just registered voters. It's their best estimate of how many people are old enough and not disqualified. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iglou@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not voting when the stakes are this high is as shitty as voting for Trump. Plus approval statistics don't care if you voted or not. If anything, more than half of Americans suck at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's also worth noting that many americans are prevented from voting. Cannot get time off work, polling station too far, mail in not available, purged from voter roll. It's still crazy to me that voting day is not a public holiday in the US and that all public transport is not free on that day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iglou@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago* In France voting day is always a Sunday to prevent issues like this. It seems very anti-democratic to not make sure that almost all the voting population can find the time for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's also worth noting that many americans are prevented from voting. Cannot get time off work, polling station too far, mail in not available, purged from voter roll. It's still crazy to me that voting day is not a public holiday in the US and that all public transport is not free on that day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iglou@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago* In France voting day is always a Sunday to prevent issues like this. It seems very anti-democratic to not make sure that almost all the voting population can find the time for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iglou@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago* In France voting day is always a Sunday to prevent issues like this. It seems very anti-democratic to not make sure that almost all the voting population can find the time for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago His poll numbers are still in the 40s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Remember most eligible voters don’t vote. Voter turnout in the 2024 election was 63.7%. That's still a lot of folks who didn't vote, but it's not "most." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But of the total adult population, only a minority votes. 63.7% is only of the registered voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago I got the number from this page: https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_voter_turnout_in_the_2024_general_election which lists it as "eligible voters," which is in turn based on data from here: https://election.lab.ufl.edu/2024-general-election-turnout/ which discusses the methodology: The denominator for these VEP turnout rates is constructed by estimating the voting-age population or VAP (everyone age 18 and older residing in the United States). Ineligible populations are subtracted from the VAP consisting of non-citizens and felons (depending on state disenfranchisement laws). Eligible overseas voters are added to the national VEP estimates only as no reliable method exists to apportion these eligible voters to states. So no, it's not just registered voters. It's their best estimate of how many people are old enough and not disqualified. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But of the total adult population, only a minority votes. 63.7% is only of the registered voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago I got the number from this page: https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_voter_turnout_in_the_2024_general_election which lists it as "eligible voters," which is in turn based on data from here: https://election.lab.ufl.edu/2024-general-election-turnout/ which discusses the methodology: The denominator for these VEP turnout rates is constructed by estimating the voting-age population or VAP (everyone age 18 and older residing in the United States). Ineligible populations are subtracted from the VAP consisting of non-citizens and felons (depending on state disenfranchisement laws). Eligible overseas voters are added to the national VEP estimates only as no reliable method exists to apportion these eligible voters to states. So no, it's not just registered voters. It's their best estimate of how many people are old enough and not disqualified. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago I got the number from this page: https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_voter_turnout_in_the_2024_general_election which lists it as "eligible voters," which is in turn based on data from here: https://election.lab.ufl.edu/2024-general-election-turnout/ which discusses the methodology: The denominator for these VEP turnout rates is constructed by estimating the voting-age population or VAP (everyone age 18 and older residing in the United States). Ineligible populations are subtracted from the VAP consisting of non-citizens and felons (depending on state disenfranchisement laws). Eligible overseas voters are added to the national VEP estimates only as no reliable method exists to apportion these eligible voters to states. So no, it's not just registered voters. It's their best estimate of how many people are old enough and not disqualified. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (3 children) This is not even close to the same thing as the Bush years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] bigfondue@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ougie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago This post deserves more attention. It's disappointing how short people's memory is and how few can see the bigger picture. It didn't start with Trump and it's not going to end with him. I like to think of this administration like a comic relief that's not very funny. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago The current regime is just the next step in authoritarian fascism from the Trump era. Democrats should have arrested and exposed all the criminals but they prefer neoliberal economics and performative actions over justice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago What's new is that an American politician uses all the dirty tricks on the US itself instead of a country on the other side of the globe. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] bigfondue@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ougie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago This post deserves more attention. It's disappointing how short people's memory is and how few can see the bigger picture. It didn't start with Trump and it's not going to end with him. I like to think of this administration like a comic relief that's not very funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ougie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago This post deserves more attention. It's disappointing how short people's memory is and how few can see the bigger picture. It didn't start with Trump and it's not going to end with him. I like to think of this administration like a comic relief that's not very funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago The current regime is just the next step in authoritarian fascism from the Trump era. Democrats should have arrested and exposed all the criminals but they prefer neoliberal economics and performative actions over justice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago What's new is that an American politician uses all the dirty tricks on the US itself instead of a country on the other side of the globe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) No, Bush and Trump are not alike. Bush at least had some principles. Temp has none permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Bush is an international war criminal and a US criminal by lying to congress to start multiple wars. The fact that America didn’t have the balls to arrest its previous criminals only allowed the next set of criminals to take it even further. America is a land full of subservient serfs that want an authoritarian figure to rule over them. They don’t even care if their master is a child rapist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemmes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I mean, at least he went to congress. You’re right though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago No, Bush just had some decorum. Trump is also taking advantage of the weakening of institutions and norms that occurred during the Bush administration. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago “Now watch this drive” permalink fedilink source parent [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Bush deliberately accelerated the execution of majority poor black and Latino men in Texas as a popularity contest before he even thought about running for president. He only seems affable because he's rich. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Bush is an international war criminal and a US criminal by lying to congress to start multiple wars. The fact that America didn’t have the balls to arrest its previous criminals only allowed the next set of criminals to take it even further. America is a land full of subservient serfs that want an authoritarian figure to rule over them. They don’t even care if their master is a child rapist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemmes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I mean, at least he went to congress. You’re right though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hemmes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I mean, at least he went to congress. You’re right though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago No, Bush just had some decorum. Trump is also taking advantage of the weakening of institutions and norms that occurred during the Bush administration. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago “Now watch this drive” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Bush deliberately accelerated the execution of majority poor black and Latino men in Texas as a popularity contest before he even thought about running for president. He only seems affable because he's rich. permalink fedilink source parent