▲ 872 ▼ Nintendo can disable your Switch 2 for piracy in the U.S., but not in Europe, as confirmed by its EULA (en.as.com) submitted 1 year ago by kebab@endlesstalk.org to c/games@lemmy.world 135 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] SlothMama@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Untrue, full console disabling is possible rendering it unusable for any content online or offline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] missingno@fedia.io -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) They've only ever done online bans. There's a lot of misinformation being spread around about bricks, but that isn't what is happening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) What they have done (so far) and what they are capable of doing are two entirely different things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] missingno@fedia.io -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) No one has had their console remotely bricked. If it happens, we can talk, but until then you're just getting mad at imagined hypotheticals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) Worst argument ever. Why wait for it to happen instead of acting proactively? Why did they feel the need to implement that in A their legal speak and B partly acted on it (users of the MIG-cartridge got already hit by that). Because they will at some point use the power. Why even risk that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Fixating on a hypothetical when it's the opposite of what's actually happening borders on misinformation. Scroll back up, this conversation started with the top comment saying it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and then y'all come at me saying it's actually bricks. It's online bans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) The actual text of the EULA states: "You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part.” So no, it's not misinformation, Nintendo is straight up telling you legally that they can and will do this. This is not a hypothetical. They may not have done it yet but there is no uncertain terminology around their ability and willingness to do so. The fact that they can even threaten this in their EULA is a huge warning flag that everyone in this thread is correct to be upset about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -4 points 1 year ago Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Let me rewind to the start of this conversation. prevent access to online services...that's all they should be allowed to do. I don't think I'd be able hold back on any company that decided what I do with MY hardware. That is what they do. It's an online ban, you can still use a banned console offline. permalink fedilink source parent [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Before it happens they put it in EULA which they did. You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part. It couldn't be any clearer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) You're fixating on legalese boilerplate, I'm talking about what they're actually doing. Go back to the start of this conversation. OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The "legalese" explicitly stated in clear words that they have right to brick your device. If they had no intention of doing it they wouldn't put that in. This was added so once they brick it they can argue in court that you agreed to this when purchased your switch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. If it ever happens, we can resume this conversation, but until then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What do you expect? Disable console first, then put things in EULA? Why put something like this in EULA if there's no intention of doing it, especially as they didn't put it for EU where such practice is outright illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago I'm talking about what has actually happened, you're talking about what hasn't happened. Please review the top comments that started this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I found one of the many for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqFY3rICDWs at minute 7.15 He can't play Yakuza 0 and puyo puyo tetris, because it can't download the mandatory update, it can't launch games. Technically it's not bricked, but because it can't launch legally purchased games, it's effectively bricked. It doesn't even show the game icon on the screen! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That is a ban from online services. The word 'brick' has a specific meaning, this isn't a brick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) If a device has a single purpose, which is playing games, and it can't play such game, how it's not a brick? "It's not a brick, it's just a paperweight!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Some games might not be playable. But other games still are. Calling the system a paperweight is not accurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your comment, paraphrased: Nintendo is Nintendo and they can never be wrong, I will defend them and ask for proof. Then deny any proof given. You asked proof of a brick, I showed you proof of a brick. Ah yes, sorry, it's not a brick. Because it turns on and, because it doesn't even show the icon of those legitimately purchased games that are unwrapped in front of the camera, you can go to settings, then you can, uh, toggle between dark mode and light mode. Yes, totally not a brick. People pay $450 for a game console not for playing games, just to stare at the empty screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago Don't put words in my mouth. If you can't engage in good faith, there's no further discussion to be had. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Odo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part. It seems hard to believe, but that's the threat being made. Time will tell whether that's bluster or if they're really prepared to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago Nintendo has track record making threats that are not technically feasible, like if a PR/LAW person has written it with no knowledge on what technically really is possible. They just formulate it, so that they have the most possibilities later on the law site. They would even include coming to and get the physical switch from you, if lawfully feasible. And they would only check later if the physical act is really feasible for them after. permalink fedilink source parent [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago The fact that they are doing online bans instead is how we know. But like I said, tell you what, if it happens then we can talk. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] missingno@fedia.io -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) They've only ever done online bans. There's a lot of misinformation being spread around about bricks, but that isn't what is happening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) What they have done (so far) and what they are capable of doing are two entirely different things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] missingno@fedia.io -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) No one has had their console remotely bricked. If it happens, we can talk, but until then you're just getting mad at imagined hypotheticals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) Worst argument ever. Why wait for it to happen instead of acting proactively? Why did they feel the need to implement that in A their legal speak and B partly acted on it (users of the MIG-cartridge got already hit by that). Because they will at some point use the power. Why even risk that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Fixating on a hypothetical when it's the opposite of what's actually happening borders on misinformation. Scroll back up, this conversation started with the top comment saying it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and then y'all come at me saying it's actually bricks. It's online bans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) The actual text of the EULA states: "You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part.” So no, it's not misinformation, Nintendo is straight up telling you legally that they can and will do this. This is not a hypothetical. They may not have done it yet but there is no uncertain terminology around their ability and willingness to do so. The fact that they can even threaten this in their EULA is a huge warning flag that everyone in this thread is correct to be upset about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -4 points 1 year ago Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Let me rewind to the start of this conversation. prevent access to online services...that's all they should be allowed to do. I don't think I'd be able hold back on any company that decided what I do with MY hardware. That is what they do. It's an online ban, you can still use a banned console offline. permalink fedilink source parent [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Before it happens they put it in EULA which they did. You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part. It couldn't be any clearer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) You're fixating on legalese boilerplate, I'm talking about what they're actually doing. Go back to the start of this conversation. OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The "legalese" explicitly stated in clear words that they have right to brick your device. If they had no intention of doing it they wouldn't put that in. This was added so once they brick it they can argue in court that you agreed to this when purchased your switch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. If it ever happens, we can resume this conversation, but until then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What do you expect? Disable console first, then put things in EULA? Why put something like this in EULA if there's no intention of doing it, especially as they didn't put it for EU where such practice is outright illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago I'm talking about what has actually happened, you're talking about what hasn't happened. Please review the top comments that started this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I found one of the many for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqFY3rICDWs at minute 7.15 He can't play Yakuza 0 and puyo puyo tetris, because it can't download the mandatory update, it can't launch games. Technically it's not bricked, but because it can't launch legally purchased games, it's effectively bricked. It doesn't even show the game icon on the screen! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That is a ban from online services. The word 'brick' has a specific meaning, this isn't a brick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) If a device has a single purpose, which is playing games, and it can't play such game, how it's not a brick? "It's not a brick, it's just a paperweight!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Some games might not be playable. But other games still are. Calling the system a paperweight is not accurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your comment, paraphrased: Nintendo is Nintendo and they can never be wrong, I will defend them and ask for proof. Then deny any proof given. You asked proof of a brick, I showed you proof of a brick. Ah yes, sorry, it's not a brick. Because it turns on and, because it doesn't even show the icon of those legitimately purchased games that are unwrapped in front of the camera, you can go to settings, then you can, uh, toggle between dark mode and light mode. Yes, totally not a brick. People pay $450 for a game console not for playing games, just to stare at the empty screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago Don't put words in my mouth. If you can't engage in good faith, there's no further discussion to be had. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Odo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part. It seems hard to believe, but that's the threat being made. Time will tell whether that's bluster or if they're really prepared to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago Nintendo has track record making threats that are not technically feasible, like if a PR/LAW person has written it with no knowledge on what technically really is possible. They just formulate it, so that they have the most possibilities later on the law site. They would even include coming to and get the physical switch from you, if lawfully feasible. And they would only check later if the physical act is really feasible for them after. permalink fedilink source parent [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago The fact that they are doing online bans instead is how we know. But like I said, tell you what, if it happens then we can talk. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) What they have done (so far) and what they are capable of doing are two entirely different things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] missingno@fedia.io -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) No one has had their console remotely bricked. If it happens, we can talk, but until then you're just getting mad at imagined hypotheticals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) Worst argument ever. Why wait for it to happen instead of acting proactively? Why did they feel the need to implement that in A their legal speak and B partly acted on it (users of the MIG-cartridge got already hit by that). Because they will at some point use the power. Why even risk that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Fixating on a hypothetical when it's the opposite of what's actually happening borders on misinformation. Scroll back up, this conversation started with the top comment saying it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and then y'all come at me saying it's actually bricks. It's online bans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) The actual text of the EULA states: "You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part.” So no, it's not misinformation, Nintendo is straight up telling you legally that they can and will do this. This is not a hypothetical. They may not have done it yet but there is no uncertain terminology around their ability and willingness to do so. The fact that they can even threaten this in their EULA is a huge warning flag that everyone in this thread is correct to be upset about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -4 points 1 year ago Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Let me rewind to the start of this conversation. prevent access to online services...that's all they should be allowed to do. I don't think I'd be able hold back on any company that decided what I do with MY hardware. That is what they do. It's an online ban, you can still use a banned console offline. permalink fedilink source parent [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Before it happens they put it in EULA which they did. You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part. It couldn't be any clearer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) You're fixating on legalese boilerplate, I'm talking about what they're actually doing. Go back to the start of this conversation. OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The "legalese" explicitly stated in clear words that they have right to brick your device. If they had no intention of doing it they wouldn't put that in. This was added so once they brick it they can argue in court that you agreed to this when purchased your switch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. If it ever happens, we can resume this conversation, but until then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What do you expect? Disable console first, then put things in EULA? Why put something like this in EULA if there's no intention of doing it, especially as they didn't put it for EU where such practice is outright illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago I'm talking about what has actually happened, you're talking about what hasn't happened. Please review the top comments that started this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I found one of the many for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqFY3rICDWs at minute 7.15 He can't play Yakuza 0 and puyo puyo tetris, because it can't download the mandatory update, it can't launch games. Technically it's not bricked, but because it can't launch legally purchased games, it's effectively bricked. It doesn't even show the game icon on the screen! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That is a ban from online services. The word 'brick' has a specific meaning, this isn't a brick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) If a device has a single purpose, which is playing games, and it can't play such game, how it's not a brick? "It's not a brick, it's just a paperweight!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Some games might not be playable. But other games still are. Calling the system a paperweight is not accurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your comment, paraphrased: Nintendo is Nintendo and they can never be wrong, I will defend them and ask for proof. Then deny any proof given. You asked proof of a brick, I showed you proof of a brick. Ah yes, sorry, it's not a brick. Because it turns on and, because it doesn't even show the icon of those legitimately purchased games that are unwrapped in front of the camera, you can go to settings, then you can, uh, toggle between dark mode and light mode. Yes, totally not a brick. People pay $450 for a game console not for playing games, just to stare at the empty screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago Don't put words in my mouth. If you can't engage in good faith, there's no further discussion to be had. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] missingno@fedia.io -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) No one has had their console remotely bricked. If it happens, we can talk, but until then you're just getting mad at imagined hypotheticals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) Worst argument ever. Why wait for it to happen instead of acting proactively? Why did they feel the need to implement that in A their legal speak and B partly acted on it (users of the MIG-cartridge got already hit by that). Because they will at some point use the power. Why even risk that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Fixating on a hypothetical when it's the opposite of what's actually happening borders on misinformation. Scroll back up, this conversation started with the top comment saying it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and then y'all come at me saying it's actually bricks. It's online bans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) The actual text of the EULA states: "You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part.” So no, it's not misinformation, Nintendo is straight up telling you legally that they can and will do this. This is not a hypothetical. They may not have done it yet but there is no uncertain terminology around their ability and willingness to do so. The fact that they can even threaten this in their EULA is a huge warning flag that everyone in this thread is correct to be upset about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -4 points 1 year ago Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Let me rewind to the start of this conversation. prevent access to online services...that's all they should be allowed to do. I don't think I'd be able hold back on any company that decided what I do with MY hardware. That is what they do. It's an online ban, you can still use a banned console offline. permalink fedilink source parent [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Before it happens they put it in EULA which they did. You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part. It couldn't be any clearer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) You're fixating on legalese boilerplate, I'm talking about what they're actually doing. Go back to the start of this conversation. OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The "legalese" explicitly stated in clear words that they have right to brick your device. If they had no intention of doing it they wouldn't put that in. This was added so once they brick it they can argue in court that you agreed to this when purchased your switch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. If it ever happens, we can resume this conversation, but until then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What do you expect? Disable console first, then put things in EULA? Why put something like this in EULA if there's no intention of doing it, especially as they didn't put it for EU where such practice is outright illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago I'm talking about what has actually happened, you're talking about what hasn't happened. Please review the top comments that started this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I found one of the many for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqFY3rICDWs at minute 7.15 He can't play Yakuza 0 and puyo puyo tetris, because it can't download the mandatory update, it can't launch games. Technically it's not bricked, but because it can't launch legally purchased games, it's effectively bricked. It doesn't even show the game icon on the screen! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That is a ban from online services. The word 'brick' has a specific meaning, this isn't a brick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) If a device has a single purpose, which is playing games, and it can't play such game, how it's not a brick? "It's not a brick, it's just a paperweight!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Some games might not be playable. But other games still are. Calling the system a paperweight is not accurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your comment, paraphrased: Nintendo is Nintendo and they can never be wrong, I will defend them and ask for proof. Then deny any proof given. You asked proof of a brick, I showed you proof of a brick. Ah yes, sorry, it's not a brick. Because it turns on and, because it doesn't even show the icon of those legitimately purchased games that are unwrapped in front of the camera, you can go to settings, then you can, uh, toggle between dark mode and light mode. Yes, totally not a brick. People pay $450 for a game console not for playing games, just to stare at the empty screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago Don't put words in my mouth. If you can't engage in good faith, there's no further discussion to be had. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) Worst argument ever. Why wait for it to happen instead of acting proactively? Why did they feel the need to implement that in A their legal speak and B partly acted on it (users of the MIG-cartridge got already hit by that). Because they will at some point use the power. Why even risk that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Fixating on a hypothetical when it's the opposite of what's actually happening borders on misinformation. Scroll back up, this conversation started with the top comment saying it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and then y'all come at me saying it's actually bricks. It's online bans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) The actual text of the EULA states: "You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part.” So no, it's not misinformation, Nintendo is straight up telling you legally that they can and will do this. This is not a hypothetical. They may not have done it yet but there is no uncertain terminology around their ability and willingness to do so. The fact that they can even threaten this in their EULA is a huge warning flag that everyone in this thread is correct to be upset about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -4 points 1 year ago Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Let me rewind to the start of this conversation. prevent access to online services...that's all they should be allowed to do. I don't think I'd be able hold back on any company that decided what I do with MY hardware. That is what they do. It's an online ban, you can still use a banned console offline. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Fixating on a hypothetical when it's the opposite of what's actually happening borders on misinformation. Scroll back up, this conversation started with the top comment saying it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and then y'all come at me saying it's actually bricks. It's online bans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) The actual text of the EULA states: "You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part.” So no, it's not misinformation, Nintendo is straight up telling you legally that they can and will do this. This is not a hypothetical. They may not have done it yet but there is no uncertain terminology around their ability and willingness to do so. The fact that they can even threaten this in their EULA is a huge warning flag that everyone in this thread is correct to be upset about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -4 points 1 year ago Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Let me rewind to the start of this conversation. prevent access to online services...that's all they should be allowed to do. I don't think I'd be able hold back on any company that decided what I do with MY hardware. That is what they do. It's an online ban, you can still use a banned console offline. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) The actual text of the EULA states: "You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part.” So no, it's not misinformation, Nintendo is straight up telling you legally that they can and will do this. This is not a hypothetical. They may not have done it yet but there is no uncertain terminology around their ability and willingness to do so. The fact that they can even threaten this in their EULA is a huge warning flag that everyone in this thread is correct to be upset about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -4 points 1 year ago Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Let me rewind to the start of this conversation. prevent access to online services...that's all they should be allowed to do. I don't think I'd be able hold back on any company that decided what I do with MY hardware. That is what they do. It's an online ban, you can still use a banned console offline. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] missingno@fedia.io -4 points 1 year ago Because regardless of what some boilerplate legalese says, they are instead doing online bans. Let me rewind to the start of this conversation. prevent access to online services...that's all they should be allowed to do. I don't think I'd be able hold back on any company that decided what I do with MY hardware. That is what they do. It's an online ban, you can still use a banned console offline. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Before it happens they put it in EULA which they did. You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part. It couldn't be any clearer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) You're fixating on legalese boilerplate, I'm talking about what they're actually doing. Go back to the start of this conversation. OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The "legalese" explicitly stated in clear words that they have right to brick your device. If they had no intention of doing it they wouldn't put that in. This was added so once they brick it they can argue in court that you agreed to this when purchased your switch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. If it ever happens, we can resume this conversation, but until then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What do you expect? Disable console first, then put things in EULA? Why put something like this in EULA if there's no intention of doing it, especially as they didn't put it for EU where such practice is outright illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago I'm talking about what has actually happened, you're talking about what hasn't happened. Please review the top comments that started this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) You're fixating on legalese boilerplate, I'm talking about what they're actually doing. Go back to the start of this conversation. OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The "legalese" explicitly stated in clear words that they have right to brick your device. If they had no intention of doing it they wouldn't put that in. This was added so once they brick it they can argue in court that you agreed to this when purchased your switch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. If it ever happens, we can resume this conversation, but until then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What do you expect? Disable console first, then put things in EULA? Why put something like this in EULA if there's no intention of doing it, especially as they didn't put it for EU where such practice is outright illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago I'm talking about what has actually happened, you're talking about what hasn't happened. Please review the top comments that started this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The "legalese" explicitly stated in clear words that they have right to brick your device. If they had no intention of doing it they wouldn't put that in. This was added so once they brick it they can argue in court that you agreed to this when purchased your switch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. If it ever happens, we can resume this conversation, but until then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What do you expect? Disable console first, then put things in EULA? Why put something like this in EULA if there's no intention of doing it, especially as they didn't put it for EU where such practice is outright illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago I'm talking about what has actually happened, you're talking about what hasn't happened. Please review the top comments that started this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) OP said it should just be online bans, I said that it is, and you're umackshuallying over what hasn't actually happened. If it ever happens, we can resume this conversation, but until then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What do you expect? Disable console first, then put things in EULA? Why put something like this in EULA if there's no intention of doing it, especially as they didn't put it for EU where such practice is outright illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago I'm talking about what has actually happened, you're talking about what hasn't happened. Please review the top comments that started this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What do you expect? Disable console first, then put things in EULA? Why put something like this in EULA if there's no intention of doing it, especially as they didn't put it for EU where such practice is outright illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago I'm talking about what has actually happened, you're talking about what hasn't happened. Please review the top comments that started this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] missingno@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago I'm talking about what has actually happened, you're talking about what hasn't happened. Please review the top comments that started this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I found one of the many for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqFY3rICDWs at minute 7.15 He can't play Yakuza 0 and puyo puyo tetris, because it can't download the mandatory update, it can't launch games. Technically it's not bricked, but because it can't launch legally purchased games, it's effectively bricked. It doesn't even show the game icon on the screen! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That is a ban from online services. The word 'brick' has a specific meaning, this isn't a brick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) If a device has a single purpose, which is playing games, and it can't play such game, how it's not a brick? "It's not a brick, it's just a paperweight!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Some games might not be playable. But other games still are. Calling the system a paperweight is not accurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your comment, paraphrased: Nintendo is Nintendo and they can never be wrong, I will defend them and ask for proof. Then deny any proof given. You asked proof of a brick, I showed you proof of a brick. Ah yes, sorry, it's not a brick. Because it turns on and, because it doesn't even show the icon of those legitimately purchased games that are unwrapped in front of the camera, you can go to settings, then you can, uh, toggle between dark mode and light mode. Yes, totally not a brick. People pay $450 for a game console not for playing games, just to stare at the empty screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago Don't put words in my mouth. If you can't engage in good faith, there's no further discussion to be had. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That is a ban from online services. The word 'brick' has a specific meaning, this isn't a brick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) If a device has a single purpose, which is playing games, and it can't play such game, how it's not a brick? "It's not a brick, it's just a paperweight!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Some games might not be playable. But other games still are. Calling the system a paperweight is not accurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your comment, paraphrased: Nintendo is Nintendo and they can never be wrong, I will defend them and ask for proof. Then deny any proof given. You asked proof of a brick, I showed you proof of a brick. Ah yes, sorry, it's not a brick. Because it turns on and, because it doesn't even show the icon of those legitimately purchased games that are unwrapped in front of the camera, you can go to settings, then you can, uh, toggle between dark mode and light mode. Yes, totally not a brick. People pay $450 for a game console not for playing games, just to stare at the empty screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago Don't put words in my mouth. If you can't engage in good faith, there's no further discussion to be had. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) If a device has a single purpose, which is playing games, and it can't play such game, how it's not a brick? "It's not a brick, it's just a paperweight!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Some games might not be playable. But other games still are. Calling the system a paperweight is not accurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your comment, paraphrased: Nintendo is Nintendo and they can never be wrong, I will defend them and ask for proof. Then deny any proof given. You asked proof of a brick, I showed you proof of a brick. Ah yes, sorry, it's not a brick. Because it turns on and, because it doesn't even show the icon of those legitimately purchased games that are unwrapped in front of the camera, you can go to settings, then you can, uh, toggle between dark mode and light mode. Yes, totally not a brick. People pay $450 for a game console not for playing games, just to stare at the empty screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago Don't put words in my mouth. If you can't engage in good faith, there's no further discussion to be had. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Some games might not be playable. But other games still are. Calling the system a paperweight is not accurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your comment, paraphrased: Nintendo is Nintendo and they can never be wrong, I will defend them and ask for proof. Then deny any proof given. You asked proof of a brick, I showed you proof of a brick. Ah yes, sorry, it's not a brick. Because it turns on and, because it doesn't even show the icon of those legitimately purchased games that are unwrapped in front of the camera, you can go to settings, then you can, uh, toggle between dark mode and light mode. Yes, totally not a brick. People pay $450 for a game console not for playing games, just to stare at the empty screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago Don't put words in my mouth. If you can't engage in good faith, there's no further discussion to be had. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your comment, paraphrased: Nintendo is Nintendo and they can never be wrong, I will defend them and ask for proof. Then deny any proof given. You asked proof of a brick, I showed you proof of a brick. Ah yes, sorry, it's not a brick. Because it turns on and, because it doesn't even show the icon of those legitimately purchased games that are unwrapped in front of the camera, you can go to settings, then you can, uh, toggle between dark mode and light mode. Yes, totally not a brick. People pay $450 for a game console not for playing games, just to stare at the empty screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] missingno@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago Don't put words in my mouth. If you can't engage in good faith, there's no further discussion to be had. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] missingno@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago Don't put words in my mouth. If you can't engage in good faith, there's no further discussion to be had. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Odo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part. It seems hard to believe, but that's the threat being made. Time will tell whether that's bluster or if they're really prepared to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago Nintendo has track record making threats that are not technically feasible, like if a PR/LAW person has written it with no knowledge on what technically really is possible. They just formulate it, so that they have the most possibilities later on the law site. They would even include coming to and get the physical switch from you, if lawfully feasible. And they would only check later if the physical act is really feasible for them after. permalink fedilink source parent [–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago The fact that they are doing online bans instead is how we know. But like I said, tell you what, if it happens then we can talk. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago Nintendo has track record making threats that are not technically feasible, like if a PR/LAW person has written it with no knowledge on what technically really is possible. They just formulate it, so that they have the most possibilities later on the law site. They would even include coming to and get the physical switch from you, if lawfully feasible. And they would only check later if the physical act is really feasible for them after. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] missingno@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago The fact that they are doing online bans instead is how we know. But like I said, tell you what, if it happens then we can talk. permalink fedilink source parent