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It's still a tragedy, even if putting down the riots that resulted in lynchings of innocents before the PLA came in was ultimately necessary. You're not really understanding what I'm saying.
A Maoist protest was twisted into a liberal one backed by the US, where the rioters went on to burn people alive and lynch unarmed officers.
You're the only one saying tragedy. The rest are praising it. One more just for "fun" "much ado about nothing"
At best, according to Chinese sources, it was 300 revolutionaries killed in response to a handful of lynched soldiers -> not praise worthy. That's called overkill.
At worst, according to the Swiss ambassador that was there, it was 2600-ish people. Definitely not praiseworthy. That's called a massacre.
Either way, not necessary. Ffs, the whole black lives matter which was a shit show and still there were 35-ish deaths. But yeah, it was necessary and praiseworthy. Give me a break. But it's good to finally get an actual stance out of you and not just dodgy bs. But you say "PLA" instead of "the army", so I'm not surprised.
They are stating that it was necessary to put down the color-revolution, a western-backed riot where the organizers themselves admitted to trying to provoke a violent response:
There were lynchings of officers, firebombings of vehicles, and widespread violence, all of a largely reactionary nature. These were not protests for social justice. Originally, they were ultraleft Maoists upset at Deng's market reforms, but later they became liberal protests, backed by the US.
It was a tragedy that it happened at all, that's correct, however if the counter-revolt succeeded in toppling socialism, countless lives would have been lost, just like when the USSR fell and 7 million people died that didn't have to.
Not sure what you mean by "dodgy BS," I have always been clear on what my stances are. I'm a Marxist-Leninist, I hold opinions generally held by Marxist-Leninists. I'm on Capital Volume 2. I'm a spooky scary socialist.
The “mass murder” didn’t come from the Chinese state; it came from the CIA-backed terrorists. Like any state, the Chinese state has a duty to stop terrorist attacks.
📺 The Tiananmen Square "Massacre" Never Happened — [Sources]
I said it was tragic that it happened in the first place, and it's horrible that the US took advantage of grievances the public had in order to force violent reaction. I also think it's a good thing that the socialist system remained, millions more lives have been saved and extended thanks to it, regardless if the rioters that burned unarmed officers alive lived to see those lives saved.
Again, though, you're deliberately avoiding having an actual conversation, and are looking to pick fights. I've talked about the June 4th incident before, several times, going over the causes, influences, distortions by the west, etc. A good source is Another View of Tiananmen by Sun Feiyang and Roderic Day.
I'm not going to apologize for being a Leftist, even if you call me pejoratives, lol.