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China's Robotaxi Companies Are Racing Ahead of Tesla (spectrum.ieee.org)

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Tesla's robotaxi debut in Austin got people excited. But can the company compete on the global stage with Chinese AV giants like Baidu and Pony.ai?

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago

But holy shit a marvel of marketing. Better be a case study in business school. They had little to no actual implementation for years and years but are still the go-to name for autonomous driving and selling subscriptions to something that doesn't exist. Absolutely wild.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

the go-to name for autonomous driving

Only inside Usa.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

Who is it outside?

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

All the real carmakers.

Currently the German ones may be the techology leaders, and some Chinese brand may be the market leader - but I'm no expert, I just see what everybody can see.

[-] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don't see VW operating anything with L~~5~~4 autonomy.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

operating

So?

L5 autonomy.

Nobody has that yet.

[-] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, operating. Words don't cut it. Tesla's been lying about their systems for years.

You're right in that I mistyped L4.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

VW doesn't operate. They rather sell the cars that they build. So what's your problem with that?

[-] [email protected] -4 points 3 weeks ago

The cars they sell are operational, champ.

Those cars also do not have L4 autonomy.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

The only one who sells L4 to real people currently is Mercedes.

[-] [email protected] -4 points 3 weeks ago

They're working on it, but it's not complete. Try again.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Not really. Look up Ford Bluecruise. Difference is, Ford wasn't out there for years promising to have it all perfected in an unreasonably short timeframe. They just quietly worked on it until they felt it was ready. THEN they announced it.

https://www.ford.com/technology/bluecruise/

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