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cross-posted from: https://jlai.lu/post/22505617

It seems that the dev burned out.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I know you are a leftist, and at one point I thought I was too, but compared to the likes of hexbear and lemmygrad.ml and even lemmy.ml we are flaming right-wingers, I believe? if you [checks notes] “have a bank account”, then you aren’t leftist enough for them).

I promise you I have a bank account. I'm an anarchist and I prefer .ml because I don't care about opposing "campism". (not a real thing)

I'm more on the intersection of anarchism and Luxemburgism; I share a lot of her criticism of the USSR and I find Marxists often end up agreeing with me. At the end of the day I oppose inter-capitalist wars and support revolutionary organizing against the existing system. That alone is enough to put me on the bad side of most of lib Lemmy.

A divide like this happened among anarchists in the first world war too.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

The thing with campism is, that it's a trap: you're walking through a path you need to, doing steps towards what you believe to be the right direction, then you step on the trap. And when you notice "fuck, I'm trapped!", it's already too late - you're inside.

For some Marxists, I think it's multiple levels of mistaking the means for the end, and making the means the new end:

1. We need freedom, peace and human dignity...
2. so we need the fruits or our labour...
3. so we need a stateless society...
4. so we need a transitory state to reach communism...
5. so we need to defend that transitory state, as well as associated ideologies...
6a. so we need to fight against NATO...
7a. so we need to ally ourselves to NATO's enemies...
8a. so we need to defend our allies against threats...
9a. so we need to shield our allies against criticism.\

Each of that steps, when taken in isolation, is rational. However if you follow all of them, you end in campism - defending things like Czar Putler's Russia and its invasion of Ukraine, even if Putin himself is shitting on human dignity, freedom and peace (and that's literally our goal!). I see things like this all the time while lurking in Hexbear, and specially from Hexbear members outside their instance. Some might say "no, I'm just doing critical support!", but, well... we know it's already way past critical support.

Interesting to note the same ones doing this sort of campism see no problem with something like this:

5. (same as above) so we need to defend that transitory state, as well as associated ideologies...
6b. so we need to remain united...
7b. so we need to denounce any group breaking off the unity.

That's the part they start shitting on you anarchists, or us Trotskyists.

A divide like this happened among anarchists in the first world war too.

The ghost of that second international will still haunt us for a long time...

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

re campism:

Personally I arrive at opposing NATO because I'm opposed to all wars but the class war as it were. It's not out of a sense of wanting to 'shield' Russia.

I live in the US and thus I oppose its use of military force around the world, if I was back in Russia I would still be opposed to the war on general principle, with all of the associated political risks.

I'm not sure I see what the 'trap' is in your line of thought, but if you're insisting that lack of support for NATO as a citizen in a NATO country is somehow a position that people are tricked into, I think you may be misunderstanding the situation.

re hexbear:

but, well… we know it’s already way past critical support.

I'm not sure they're as in the tank for Putin as you say, I'm subbed to most if not all of their comms and I will routinely come across things like this it's pretty clearly shitting on the CPRF for going along with SMO, the kind-vladimir-ilyich emoji is imparting 'lenin would have shot everyone in this room', I have to imagine that includes Putin. One of their news mods is said 'If you're a communist party and Putin is praising you, you're not a communist party.'

The ghost of that second international will still haunt us for a long time…

on the anarchist end it's the manifesto of the sixteen vs the anti-war manifesto, the latter is a banger I recommend it:

The misfortune of the peoples, who were nevertheless all deeply committed to peace, is that they trusted in the State with its scheming diplomats, in democracy and in the political parties (even the opposition parties, like the parliamentary socialists) to avert war. That trust was deliberately abused and continues to be abused when those in government, with the help of their whole press, persuade their respective peoples that this war is a war of liberation.

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