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iOS is actually secure
it maybe secure. Sending your privacy information securely to the server and sharing with ad companies
Cool and who validates the code base for security vulnerability? And sends tons of packets related to tracking back to there servers?
the codebase itself? besides XNU, nobody... but, given the immense amount of scrutiny placed on the software, if there was some magic backdoor (an intentional one, anyway, not talking about like NSO group RCEs 'n shit), don't you think we'd know?
the average person doesn't even know what grapheneos is. if they're either going to buy an iphone, or some generic android phone running a vendor kernel that hasn't been patched this administration, i'd want them to buy the iphone.
There are massive backdoors, tho on android too. How do you think Pegasus works
you could have at least picked a different cyberwarfare company...
by that logic, every OS under the sun has massive backdoors. bugs exist, man. my point was that for the average person, a fully-patched ithing is going to be among the more secure options.
wasn't Pegasus attack vector sms how is it a OS issue if its a protocol its the same as saying Linux is insecure because xmpp had a vulnrabilty and allowed remote access
depends on the chain in question. some used iMessage as a way in, but (at least in the case i'm thinking of rn) it was only used to trigger an image parsing bug. in others, sms was used to trick someone into clicking a link, exploiting a bug in JavaScriptCore.
Yes and no. It’s certainly better than stock android. You won’t find anyone who says otherwise. But it creates unnecessary dependancies on apple’s ecosystem and Apple can’t be trusted. Nothing with shareholders can be trusted. Apple might be an ally today but they are a US based-company operating within the confines of what the US will let it do.
All their cloud services are pretty poorly protected too. Every year or so me and my friends will find Chinese gibberish entries in our calendars that link to phishing sites. These get cleaned up eventually but it proves that Apple is lying about not being able to access your shit.
I’m planning my exodus from the Apple ecosystem and looking at grapheneOS but I’m still in the skeptic stage. I have lots of cloud decoupling to do and my self hosting ambitions are big so at the moment my iPhone isnt the biggest priority to change out.
But I absolutely do not trust it.
Grapheneos is surely better privacy and security wise
D@mn! That was an absolute PITA. In my experience, my calendars and contacts never synced properly anyway so I went to the Proton ecosystem a few years ago.
Anyway, thank you for sharing. I only know one other person who had the same problem and we both thought we were going nuts.
Not by default.
Are you interested in a bridge?