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submitted 6 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

(Source. Spotted here. For the context wherein Trump applied the stereotype, see here.)

Remember: words like ‘intifada’, phrases like ‘from the river to the sea’, and even stuffed animals in the form of octopodes are all ways of secretly calling for another Shoah, no matter how many times Palestinians say otherwise. On the other hand, when a Herzlian like Trump applies an infamous stereotype to somebody…

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

So “opposition to Israel” would be antizionist (including non Zionist anti Zionists), but those who solely identify as nonzionist would, to me, fall in the “neither for or against” ethnostate fencesitting.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I think opposition to Israel - as in "Israel should not exist as a "Jewish State"" - is anti-Zionism. I think "fence sitting" could be a bit harsh on non-Zionists if applied to all of them. "Israel has nothing to do with me and I have nothing to do with Israel why are you even asking me about it?" could be an example of a legitimate non-Zionist position that is not fence sitting (especially outside of the US, where your other status as a US tax-payer puts you back squarely in the middle of the issue).

As an illustration, if a person from, say, Honduras said "I don't understand the Russia/Ukraine thing, it has nothing to do with me, it is on the other side of the world" would you say they are "fence sitting"? Even if their great-great-great-great grandfather was Ukrainian?

I think the point I'm trying to make about non-Zionist Jews is that there is no affirmative obligation for someone to be involved in or have a deep understanding of the politics and ideology of Zionism solely because they are Jewish. In the US, UK, and Palestine, not having a position on that becomes harder to justify, not because of one's Jewishness but because of one's participation in the political system that supports Zionism.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Maybe I’m blinded by the western positionality, but dusting your hands and saying “nothing to do with me” re the apartheid state that’s doing the genocide in the name of your religion does seem like fencesitting. Obviously Israel is lying and weaponizing Judaism, but declaring yourself non-Zionist seems to opt out of the argument entirely

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