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So, was it true that Indian Rafale's were downed by the Chinese-made Pakistani fighters or...? Can anyone elucidate us a bit on the topic?
Yes 4 jets were confirmed shot down with 1 proven to be a Rafale, 1 Mirage, 1 Su-30MKI, and a MiG-29. US confirmed 2 French origin jets were shot down but didn't specify which ones, Pakistan still claims they shot down 3 Rafales total on top of the other 3.
There's several good sources of the entire air battle and the key aspect being the BVR kill chain, meaning the Rafale isn't necessarily a bad jet.
But Dassault suffered an immediate loss in stock value and potential sale clout right after the battle ended and both sides had their debrief.
As much as I'm going to make fun of the other reply in this thread for trying to cover up getting slammed by a PL-15 as "pilot error", this really has more to do with the modern methodology of air combat which the IAF was not prepared for due to their lack of a dynamic integrated electronic platform.
Their Rafale purchase was already a knee jerk response to their loss in 2019 when a MiG-21 pilot was shot down by the PAF and captured.
France sold them a guarantee of quality, but they didn't buy a full package with AWACS, EW, etc because it was already extremely expensive with each jet and armaments coming in at 300 million USD.
Now that Russia is no longer selling big weapons due to their war in Ukraine, India is really stuck in a tight spot because foreign tech will always be very expensive, and their homegrown projects under HAL have never really taken off or been battle proven (ex: their Tejas jet).
Thank you for the comprehensive reply!