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"We need to stop trusting the experts," Kennedy told Tucker Carlson.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. appeared on the latest episode of Tucker Carlson’s podcast on Monday and it’s filled with the ramblings of a man completely detached from reality.

Kennedy falsely suggested vaccines cause autism, more or less endorsed the idea that Anthony Fauci should go to prison, and says that AI will allow the FDA to approve new drugs very quickly. It’s quite a mess.

These absolutely unhinged ideas wouldn’t be such a problem if this were any other fringe lunatic appearing on the podcast of a racist former Fox News host. But Kennedy happens to be the Secretary of Health and Human Services, a man who’s been given enormous power over America’s entire healthcare system thanks to Donald Trump.

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[-] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Made Fast, made safe, made effective.

Pick two*.

^*safe is not valid if fast is chosen^

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I dunno, the Covid vaccine got prioritized and through the process pretty fast.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

The first mRNA vaccine for covid was synthesized within a month of the national emergency declaration. But there was about a year of trials and approvals before it was allowed to be mass distributed.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Which is still blindingly fast. It got EUA or emergency use authorization. Most drugs take 5-10y of trials not including the decade+ of basic R+D to reach approval.

A large reason for that speed was other mRNA vaccines in trials safely for a few decades and the adenovirus being in use for other vaccines already.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

other mRNA vaccines in trials safely for a few decades

The Oxford/AstraZeneca adenoviral vaccine has some human testing history, but the mRNA technology had only previously been tested on animals.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Not the specific diseases(cause covid-19 didn't exist), the technique/methodology. MERS and SARS are different things.

Adenovirus was used as far back as the 1963 (it had problems then), for "resporatory disease". and was used for ebola vaccines as recent 2020. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9543183/#B84

mRNA (very much not DNA) was trialed in the 1990s to treat flu in mice and in a human rabies vaccine attempt in 2013. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

That long history link isn't very long. This seems to be better.

Before Covid only 132 humans over 2 efficacy (not safety) trials had experienced mRNA. Saying mRNA has had decades of safety trials is misleading.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRNA_vaccine

The first (indirect) human mrna vaccine was trialed in 2001. A different direct infection trial was reported (completed and analyzed) in 2008 it was a safety and efficacy trial. Then there was the 2013 rabies trial (101 participants safety trial) then others for flu, zika, cmv, and chikungunya. This isn't a very complete list of the trials that occurred as many of the early ones were for cancers.

You can see a more complete but not necessarily full list of in progress and completed mrna trials https://clinicaltrials.gov/search?intr=Mrna easily noted is that between the rabies vaccine and the HIV (both before covid19 existed) there are already over 151 people that received it and both trials were safety trials. That's before the aforementioned cancer trials, your source is wrong. Unless it is for something rare safety trials are always done first or(more recently) in combination with the efficacy trial.

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