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[-] [email protected] 135 points 4 days ago

Wish we got a more complete understanding of the truckers' side in this article - why is it so hard to turn off your engine instead of idling?

The guy quoted in the article says that some trucks need to operate their lift gates 15 or 20 times in a day. First of all, turn on your engine to operate the gate and then turn it off when you're done... Secondly, if it is impacting business too much to take that extra time to turn the engine on and off, invest in an auxiliary power source to operate the lift gate.

Maybe I'm missing something?

[-] [email protected] 134 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Former trucker. If it's hot or cold AF it sucks not having a or heat. If it's a hot day, it's way hotter on blacktop surrounded by hot engines.

It can be a pain to turn it on and off a bunch of times per day, I know it sounds minor, but when you're trying to keep track of a bunch of things, making sure the right cargo comes off or on in the right order in the right way, hitting multiple docks or stops in quick succession. Trying to claim the space you need and trip plan (a lot of people don't realize how difficult it can be to get a truck through a city, especially East Coast cities).

Then you get somewhere and hop out of your truck to check in, thinking it will take 30 seconds. Talk to whomever you may need to, clear obstacles and eyeball the space you need to get your trailer into. You'll run into clueless, apathetic and just all around useless fucks at every corner. The sort of people that make glaciers seem on point. 30 seconds can turn into 30 minutes real quick.

It's a tough gig, and having an army of mercenary profit driven people out there looking to make a buck off the guy delivering literally everything you need to survive that's not air (and sometimes even that too) is kinda bullshit.

Edit: I'm not endorsing excessive idling, just trying to give some perspective on why a driver may fail to turn it off.

And also that a policy that pays anyone to report it is suspect at best. Where are we drawing the line on that? Jaywalking? What about immigration? Who's to say I can't start a company that surveils and informs for profit? It's a slippery damn slope with nothing nice at the bottom. Enforcement should be done with paid public servants, full stop.

[-] [email protected] 108 points 4 days ago

There's a lot of externalizing of costs going on. The trucks are idling because the drivers are operating at the slimmest possible margin under the assumption that idling doesn't cost anything.

What we actually would want to get to is that idling does have a cost (environmental, health, pleasantness of the area, etc). And that cost ought to be passed up the chain so that the various goods being shipped are more expensive.

But without a more centrally-managed economy, the implementation is to put all the pressure on the truck drivers and leave them responsible for passing that pressure to the next step up the chain. It doesn't work out very well in practice because the drivers need to make a bunch of capital expenses for something like adding a cab AC and adding a batter-powered lift, but they've been operating at low margins so they're not in a position to do it.

[-] [email protected] 76 points 4 days ago

Local deliveries should be happening in electric vehicles. And 90% of long range trucks should have been a train. Go back in time a few decades and get the godless MBA having fucks out of the railroad industry.

Boom! Y'all should elect me king of everything, just solving problems left and right!

[-] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago

Local deliveries should be happening in electric vehicles.

Including cargo bikes, not only electric box trucks.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Cargo bikes kinda suck for very heavy loads and terrain, theres a reason they used to be ubiquitous throughout China, but now everyone uses gas and electric.

*manual cargo bikes, you see a decent amount of 3+ wheeled electric or gas bike things carrying bikes, trash, veggies, w/e

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

You'll have my vote for king as soon as you provide the time machine to enact your plan

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I'll put the braniacs on it right after my coronation.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Local deliveries can be fixed in a few years with proper regulations, and that's giving a generous time span for businesses to adapt.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Oh, I definitely agree on the local deliveries but. But you also mentioned going back in time a decade as part of your plan.

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