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non-european firms are not to be trusted no more. they continously stomp on our privacy-rights.
Fully jumping into the bureaucracy
European companies and governments regrettably aren't better, they simply don't have that many eyes on them because, well, they don't have much to show for to begin with. Name a production-ready made-in-Europe browser/browser-engine. Name a widespread European messenger. A European smartphone platform? European Facebook or Twitter? Anything?
Even the few small scale European examples that you might come up with had an absurd amount of controversy to them. Remember that Tutanota thing? Remember Chat Control?
The reason people believe that Europe is so much more privacy respecting than the US is simply because there aren't many services to exercise the same level of invasive, authoritarian control over than in the US. If 60% of the world however would be using a Nokia minäPuhelin you would see the same, if not worse, privacy-invasive regulation and controversy popping off every other week.
Right... in fact if you look deep down within a TSMC chip you can see an ASML fueled IP on how to spy on people. /s
I think you are muddying the water with unrelated (albeit legitimates) problems (e.g. court order or political proposal vs actual regulation on all companies, EU ones included) and total speculation on what you imagine would happen if the world was different.
The Brussels effect make the world better even if the EU was not even well intentioned in the first place or didn't actually build anything.
You are right, I am speculating, as was the poster of the parent comment. I certainly didn't mean to muddy any waters, but you have to admit that there have been things going on within the EU, that paint a bit of a bleak picture of how the table might turn if the EU had greater influence/power (in terms of aforementioned platforms and software) on the global stage.
And while you're right that the examples I gave didn't become actual law just yet, it's certainly not due to the EUs benevolence that proposals didn't materialize, but instead very much like in Mozilla's case, that the outcry from people had them reconsider.
However, I believe there were proposals that were put into law even though the outcry was there. (eg. Article 13?)