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Organic Maps doesn't have them.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If you want individual trees, it's difficult/useless to do because

  1. natural=tree is not commonly used in general (~30000000 usages out of an estimated ~3000000000000 trees)
  2. There's no tagging specifically for "fruit trees"
  3. There's a much more detailed tag for the species of an individual tree (genus, species/species:wikidata, taxon) but they are rarely used (only ~4M usages total out of ~30M trees mapped)
  4. You would have to list the species you would classify as "fruit trees", which are probably a lot of species, and then also do a search for all 4 of the tags listed above. As it's quite a complicated thing, you would probably need a more advanced tool for searching, like Overpass. Here are all the apple trees in a random bit of Italy: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/269o . There are obviously a lot more apple trees in that bit of Italy than the literally one that's mapped currently. As I've said the trees are not well-mapped (yet).

If you're looking for groups of fruit trees planted by humans, that's landuse=orchard, and while there are only ~1.6M uses of that, it groups a lot of trees together so might be more useful for you. You can search for orchards in OsmAnd (which is way more versatile anyway, if your hardware can run it I definitely recommend it over OrganicMaps) - just type in "Orchard" into the search bar.

If you're looking for orchards of a specific tree, there's the trees by which you can filter. But you'll once again need Overpass. For example, here are all the mapped apple orchards in the same random bit of Italy: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/269q (once again, there are probably way more but most are not mapped yet).

N.B: I've just realised that monospace links are not well-highlighted on Lemmy, so FYI all the tags/keys above are links that you can click to learn more

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Yes, I meant individual trees such as cherries growing in a city. I was surprised that projects to map these exist but they all seem to use G***** maps as a base and maintain their own database on top. Adding the trees in once you know the latin name is simple enough with SC, but actually using this data to find edible fruits doesn't seem very easy at the moment, and I just figured this would already exist.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Yeah, there's a lot missing from open data projects to make it easy.

I think the "correct" way forward is as follows:

  1. On wikidata, add "subclass of (P279) Fruit Tree (Q904653)" to all the taxa which are, well, fruit trees. You can use something like QuickStatements to help with the process;
  2. Then, extract the list of taxons with this property from there, including both the wikidata IDs and labels in English (which seem to always be the latin name). This can easily be done with SPARQL;
  3. Then do something similar to https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/269o but for all the taxa we've extracted, and turn it into a standalone app (maybe use https://openrecyclemap.org/ (https://github.com/meta-systems/openrecyclemap) as an "inspiration" - shouldn't be too difficult to adapt it here);
  4. Finally, add all the fruit trees you want to OpenStreetMap, using existing tags like species or genus etc.

This is a lot of work but if you're into it (and know both the subject matter and javascript) doable within a month or two of after-hours work.

If you decide to go for it, feel free to ask for help here and if I know something from the top of my head I will try to help you.

PS

Actually, I just realised that everything is mostly here already on the Wikidata side. What I actually wanted is something like this: https://w.wiki/EVgg

This does produce a list of all fruits and all species/gena from which you collect those fruits, sorted by "popularity" (sitelinks). It's like half the interface for our supposed map already!

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

This is really a great thread in providing another idea for the community to contribute!

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