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40% of cops beat their spouses (midwest.social)
submitted 1 year ago by [M] to c/memes@midwest.social
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[–] 12 points 1 year ago (13 children)

That isn't really true.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-posts-claiming-40-110000305.html?guccounter=1

The Neidig study stated in its abstract, "Survey results revealed that approximately 40 percent of the participating officers reported marital conflicts involving physical aggression during the previous year." However, that "physical aggression" included violence perpetrated by the officers' spouses. The results for violence perpetrated in the relationship in general was 41% for male officers and 40% for female officers. Importantly, Neidig's results for violence specifically perpetrated by the officers against their spouses were much lower: 28% for male and 27% for female.

So 28% is the number, really, and "physical violence" is not necessarily the same thing as "beating their spouse." That could mean shoving them, or pulling their arm or something. One criticism of the original study is how vaguely it defines "physical violence".

I know I will be labeled as a bootlicker, and I swear I'm not, I just don't like misinformation and on lemmy all the misinformation is leftist. On PCM on reddit I spend my time calling out conservative BS.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    The one thing I'd point out here - physical abuse is physical abuse. "Just shoving them" is still physical abuse.

    Getting punched in the face doesn't need a clarification as to whether a bone was broken or not, its still a punch to the face.

    I'd also note that according to the CDC around 1 in 4 women and 1 in 7 men have experienced some degree of physical abuse in their lifetime. So the rate for police - in their active relationship and self-reported by officers against their own spouses - is still drastically higher than the average.

    Agreed on the inaccuracies of information though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Yes, I am not trying to downplay the seriousness of any physical violence, or ignore the fact police officers are more likely to be domestic abusers. However, the post title does say "beat their spouses" which to me implies, at the very least, the intent to harm and actually inflicting physical harm, neither of which are implied in physical violence.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    physical violence.

    actually inflicting physical harm

    What am I missing here? You don't think 'physical violence' implies 'physical harm'?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    No not really. If I throw a punch at you that is an act of physical violence. But if I miss or the punch doesn't hurt you at all, I have not inflicted physical harm. That's why assault and battery are different charges even though both are violent crimes.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    A distinction without a meaningful difference. Throwing a punch at your spouse but missing is still you throwing a punch at your spouse.

    Just because you didn't make contact doesn't mean you aren't a danger

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Sure, when using the throwing a punch example. But there is a big difference between someone shoving or slapping their partner and someone beating their partner. Both are obviously bad, but only one of them would be an example of "beating your spouse", and obviously that is much worse.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Nah man, I don't think that matters.

    In the context of domestic abuse, it doesn't matter if your spouse leaves a mark or physically injures you, it still creates an environment of fear for your physical safety. Displaying any willingness to cross that boundary with your spouse creates fear that they could cross it again, or go further. That's what makes 'beat your spouse' such an evocative description to begin with. It isn't supposed to be a precise classification of the type of violence you committed against them, just that you violated that physical barrier that shouldn't be crossed. You can play semantic games and try finding a less objectionable term for it if you want, the truth is that even a slap or a shove is a severe betrayal of marital trust, and undermines the feeling of security that every person has a right to in their domestic environment. I think "beat" is a perfectly fine word to describe someone who willing to do that to their spouse.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Beat: "to strike repeatedly: : to hit repeatedly so as to inflict pain"

    You're the one playing semantic games not me. I didn't see anything about betraying trust or undermining security. Slapping or shoving someone and beating them are very different things. They are both very bad in a domestic setting but one is clearly worse than the other.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A little further down on that page:

    But sure, I guess you can insist on a specific definition from that particular definition if you feel the need to make that distinction to the exclusion of certain types of violence you personally don't think are as severe. I'll say it again: that distinction is without a meaningful difference. Might be meaningful to you, but not to victims of abuse.

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