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[–] 155 points 1 year ago (61 children)

These complete morons will not have food if these people do not pick the food.

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  • [–] 84 points 1 year ago (48 children)

    Gaza is the testing grounds for what life is about to be like in the West. Starvation will be used as a weapon eventually, and who's gonna stop them?

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    who’s gonna stop them?

    I guess we'll be finding out in LA.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I believe the front will be a little Bigger then just LA after a few days.

    There are nationwide protests planed on the fascists bday and he already promised to send the military to any form of protest.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I believe the front will be a little Bigger then just LA after a few days.

    People have been looking for a place to focus their energy. 6 months of feeling completely on our heals because Democrats chose a strategy of curl up and die.

    People are hungry for action, and these kinds of events exponentiate organizing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don't know, we had a huge protest in my city a few months ago (made the front page of the NYT), but every subsequent attempt to organize has been disappointingly small. I hope this Saturday creates momentum but I worry people will check off the "resistance" box and go back home. We'll see what happens! 🤞 Actual concrete events happening in LA may enliven people.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I'll believe it when I see it. Police could bomb their own cities with plastic explosives and Americans won't do anything about it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I wonder how many mid-50s or older Americans are on Lemmy?

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    Hey, I have a little grey in my beard!

    As someone who was only just alive in 1985 though, I'm curious where you were in the US in 1985 and if you remember how big or widespread the news coverage was on the MOVE bombing?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You didn't need to be alive when the MOVE bombing happened in order to know about it.

    We used to actually learn about shit like this sometimes in public schools...

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    They can't really do that in America, there's too much land and room and food. They could temporarily trap a population within a city by surrounding it with some barricades and stuff but that won't last long. The population size of the US has a massive ratio of more citizens than law enforcement and military. They can't take us all.

    For someone like me, if the food supplies were all cut off I could just live off of the land by hunting, fishing, and farming.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    They can't really do that in America, there's too much land and room and food.

    50% of the produce we consume is grown in the California central valley. The rest is grown in a few areas of the Great plains and in Florida.

    Most of the food you see growing anywhere else isn't for people, it's for livestock.

    For someone like me, if the food supplies were all cut off I could just live off of the land by hunting, fishing, and farming.

    I think you are overestimating just how much food "the land" can provide. You need around an acre a person for subsistence farming, and that is assuming you live in a region that has a decent climate, that you have irrigation, and have access to modern fertilizer and pesticides.

    As far as hunting and fishing goes..... If a large sector of the population had to live off the land, the wildlife likely wouldn't last a single season. The only reason we still have the wild animal populations we currently have is because there are strict regulations monitoring the amount of people who hunt and fish.

    Early Americans were able to devastate a larger healthier ecology with a tiny fraction of our current population. Most of our country's natural Forrest and woodland were already destroyed and artificially rehabilitated over a hundred years ago. We have very few old growth Forrest for us to actually live off of.

    If it weren't for petrochemical fertilizer the natural nitrogen cycle wouldn't be enough to sustain our current population. Since the invention of the haber process in the 1930s we are all just a bad year away from food insecurity.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    There are areas and kinds of people who can live off the land, in one way or another. They do exist.

    They aren't the majority or the targets here, but they're around.

    The rest is accurate, but the military really is in the same boat as the rest of us.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    There are areas and kinds of people who can live off the land, in one way or another. They do exist.

    They can live off the land when the vast majority of the population isn't trying to do the same. Hungry human populations are worse than locust, we can absolutely destroy entire ecologies in weeks.

    the military really is in the same boat as the rest of us.

    In the scenario they proposed the military would be controlling the means of food production. This isn't something we have to guess about, there's plenty of examples of intentional famines like what the Brits did to Bengal, and the Irish, or the Soviets in Ukraine, and unintentional like during China's cultural revolution. During those famines the military didn't starve, the common people did.

    If those populations who were already subsistence farmers and hunters couldn't "live off the land" then what makes you think anyone on lemy is going to do any better?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'd be careful with that last point - when a modern people is suddenly forced to turn to the land for sustenance instead of the industrial supply chain, overfishing and overhunting become problems quickly...you won't be the only person out looking for a meal.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well at least our animal ecosystems are currently robust and thriving, right??

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They could temporarily trap a population within a city by surrounding it with some barricades and stuff but that won’t last long.

    Why wouldn't it last long? Is there some sort of organized fighting force of the people we're not aware of? Didn't think so.

    The population size of the US has a massive ratio of more citizens than law enforcement and military. They can’t take us all.

    Yet they already are.

    For someone like me, if the food supplies were all cut off I could just live off of the land by hunting, fishing, and farming.

    Ah yes, the government has famously left people like you alone and totally won't turn your land into gravel, drain your water table, and dump the pollution into your river.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    For someone like me, if the food supplies were all cut off I could just live off of the land by hunting, fishing, and farming.

    A government that is willing to cut off food supplies, isn't likely to allow people the freedom to farm, fish or hunt.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    First of all, I don't ask for permission, I do what I want. Freedom can be enforced by the will of the individual.

    Secondly, you may be failing to grasp the scope of the American landscape and how difficult it would be to monitor forests, lakes, and rivers.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No but see i can just pay more and have food.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    How much does an ICE agent make?

    Does a government job pay well enough that they can afford their grocery bill doubling? I have a government job, and I’m thinking of leaving to start my own thing, because I can anticipate that we’re not going to be able to afford to eat for much longer. The selection of produce in stores is already getting worse.

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