▲ 633 ▼ "You have no say in this at all. Federal law is supreme and federal law will be enforced." (lemmy.world) submitted 1 year ago by SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 146 comments fedilink hide all child comments Source of news: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/7/ice-launches-military-style-raids-in-los-angeles-what-we-know This is Stephen Miller's (White House Deputy Chief) response to Karen Bass (Los Angeles Mayor).
[–] tonytins@pawb.social 219 points 1 year ago (2 children) So much for "state's rights." permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 148 points 1 year ago (3 children) Fascists are never to be taken seriously when they say that they're very worried about protecting anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (2 children) Another 5-10 years in power and they'll legalize conversion therapy and honor killings against gay and trans kids and call it "parental rights". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago I will be shocked if it takes that long. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’ll be anyone with it a red hat on being chased down by then. Trump will be a full vegetable if not dead by then, and the Vance/Miller/Heritage crowd will have found a way to take absolute power. Otherwise the whole thing will collapse and we might have a shot at reclaiming the country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You have a shot now, you’re just not taking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) What kinda shot? Me against a police force? We haven’t even got left wing militias out there, let alone the size it would take for a coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Cool, well you just take a seat and relax. You’ve clearly done everything you can. Someone will be along to save you any day now, I’m sure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago Time for the Sartre quote: Never believe that anti-Semites fascists are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites fascists have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 1 year ago They're all about protecting their own wealth and their own "supremacy." permalink fedilink source parent [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Irony & Stephen being an arch-ghoul notwithstanding, federal law does supercede state law (Art 6 Sec 2). Like, Nebraska couldn't just legalize murder. They could stop enforcing that law, but it'd still be illegal and the federal gov't could take action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 37 points 1 year ago (2 children) federal law does supercede state law (Art 6 Sec 2) Only to the extent that the Federal law is constitutional (ie within its powers) and valid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago And to the extent that they are actually following the federal law, regardless of its constitutionality. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's a fair point. But it would need to be argued in the courts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 4 points 1 year ago Mmm, maybe, I'm pretty sure there's pretty solid case law precedent on this. It's been heavily litigated over the centuries. The parameters around what is within the jurisdiction of the US Federal govt is pretty clear. Fundamentally Article I, Section 8 of US Constitution although there's a few other loose ends (implied powers). "The enumerated powers listed in Article One include both exclusive federal powers, as well as concurrent powers that are shared with the states, and all of those powers are to be contrasted with reserved powers that only the states possess" permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShoeThrower@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) And "constitutionality" is defined by the Supreme Court... Doh! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, the courts being captured is possibly the biggest problem facing the US right now. They're what makes all the bad stuff the current regime is doing possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 148 points 1 year ago (3 children) Fascists are never to be taken seriously when they say that they're very worried about protecting anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (2 children) Another 5-10 years in power and they'll legalize conversion therapy and honor killings against gay and trans kids and call it "parental rights". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago I will be shocked if it takes that long. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’ll be anyone with it a red hat on being chased down by then. Trump will be a full vegetable if not dead by then, and the Vance/Miller/Heritage crowd will have found a way to take absolute power. Otherwise the whole thing will collapse and we might have a shot at reclaiming the country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You have a shot now, you’re just not taking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) What kinda shot? Me against a police force? We haven’t even got left wing militias out there, let alone the size it would take for a coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Cool, well you just take a seat and relax. You’ve clearly done everything you can. Someone will be along to save you any day now, I’m sure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago Time for the Sartre quote: Never believe that anti-Semites fascists are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites fascists have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 1 year ago They're all about protecting their own wealth and their own "supremacy." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (2 children) Another 5-10 years in power and they'll legalize conversion therapy and honor killings against gay and trans kids and call it "parental rights". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago I will be shocked if it takes that long. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’ll be anyone with it a red hat on being chased down by then. Trump will be a full vegetable if not dead by then, and the Vance/Miller/Heritage crowd will have found a way to take absolute power. Otherwise the whole thing will collapse and we might have a shot at reclaiming the country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You have a shot now, you’re just not taking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) What kinda shot? Me against a police force? We haven’t even got left wing militias out there, let alone the size it would take for a coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Cool, well you just take a seat and relax. You’ve clearly done everything you can. Someone will be along to save you any day now, I’m sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago I will be shocked if it takes that long. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’ll be anyone with it a red hat on being chased down by then. Trump will be a full vegetable if not dead by then, and the Vance/Miller/Heritage crowd will have found a way to take absolute power. Otherwise the whole thing will collapse and we might have a shot at reclaiming the country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You have a shot now, you’re just not taking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) What kinda shot? Me against a police force? We haven’t even got left wing militias out there, let alone the size it would take for a coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Cool, well you just take a seat and relax. You’ve clearly done everything you can. Someone will be along to save you any day now, I’m sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You have a shot now, you’re just not taking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) What kinda shot? Me against a police force? We haven’t even got left wing militias out there, let alone the size it would take for a coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Cool, well you just take a seat and relax. You’ve clearly done everything you can. Someone will be along to save you any day now, I’m sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) What kinda shot? Me against a police force? We haven’t even got left wing militias out there, let alone the size it would take for a coup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Cool, well you just take a seat and relax. You’ve clearly done everything you can. Someone will be along to save you any day now, I’m sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago Cool, well you just take a seat and relax. You’ve clearly done everything you can. Someone will be along to save you any day now, I’m sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago Time for the Sartre quote: Never believe that anti-Semites fascists are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites fascists have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 1 year ago They're all about protecting their own wealth and their own "supremacy." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Irony & Stephen being an arch-ghoul notwithstanding, federal law does supercede state law (Art 6 Sec 2). Like, Nebraska couldn't just legalize murder. They could stop enforcing that law, but it'd still be illegal and the federal gov't could take action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 37 points 1 year ago (2 children) federal law does supercede state law (Art 6 Sec 2) Only to the extent that the Federal law is constitutional (ie within its powers) and valid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago And to the extent that they are actually following the federal law, regardless of its constitutionality. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's a fair point. But it would need to be argued in the courts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 4 points 1 year ago Mmm, maybe, I'm pretty sure there's pretty solid case law precedent on this. It's been heavily litigated over the centuries. The parameters around what is within the jurisdiction of the US Federal govt is pretty clear. Fundamentally Article I, Section 8 of US Constitution although there's a few other loose ends (implied powers). "The enumerated powers listed in Article One include both exclusive federal powers, as well as concurrent powers that are shared with the states, and all of those powers are to be contrasted with reserved powers that only the states possess" permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShoeThrower@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) And "constitutionality" is defined by the Supreme Court... Doh! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, the courts being captured is possibly the biggest problem facing the US right now. They're what makes all the bad stuff the current regime is doing possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 37 points 1 year ago (2 children) federal law does supercede state law (Art 6 Sec 2) Only to the extent that the Federal law is constitutional (ie within its powers) and valid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago And to the extent that they are actually following the federal law, regardless of its constitutionality. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's a fair point. But it would need to be argued in the courts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 4 points 1 year ago Mmm, maybe, I'm pretty sure there's pretty solid case law precedent on this. It's been heavily litigated over the centuries. The parameters around what is within the jurisdiction of the US Federal govt is pretty clear. Fundamentally Article I, Section 8 of US Constitution although there's a few other loose ends (implied powers). "The enumerated powers listed in Article One include both exclusive federal powers, as well as concurrent powers that are shared with the states, and all of those powers are to be contrasted with reserved powers that only the states possess" permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShoeThrower@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) And "constitutionality" is defined by the Supreme Court... Doh! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, the courts being captured is possibly the biggest problem facing the US right now. They're what makes all the bad stuff the current regime is doing possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago And to the extent that they are actually following the federal law, regardless of its constitutionality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's a fair point. But it would need to be argued in the courts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 4 points 1 year ago Mmm, maybe, I'm pretty sure there's pretty solid case law precedent on this. It's been heavily litigated over the centuries. The parameters around what is within the jurisdiction of the US Federal govt is pretty clear. Fundamentally Article I, Section 8 of US Constitution although there's a few other loose ends (implied powers). "The enumerated powers listed in Article One include both exclusive federal powers, as well as concurrent powers that are shared with the states, and all of those powers are to be contrasted with reserved powers that only the states possess" permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShoeThrower@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) And "constitutionality" is defined by the Supreme Court... Doh! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, the courts being captured is possibly the biggest problem facing the US right now. They're what makes all the bad stuff the current regime is doing possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 4 points 1 year ago Mmm, maybe, I'm pretty sure there's pretty solid case law precedent on this. It's been heavily litigated over the centuries. The parameters around what is within the jurisdiction of the US Federal govt is pretty clear. Fundamentally Article I, Section 8 of US Constitution although there's a few other loose ends (implied powers). "The enumerated powers listed in Article One include both exclusive federal powers, as well as concurrent powers that are shared with the states, and all of those powers are to be contrasted with reserved powers that only the states possess" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShoeThrower@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) And "constitutionality" is defined by the Supreme Court... Doh! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, the courts being captured is possibly the biggest problem facing the US right now. They're what makes all the bad stuff the current regime is doing possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, the courts being captured is possibly the biggest problem facing the US right now. They're what makes all the bad stuff the current regime is doing possible. permalink fedilink source parent
