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As your post demonstrates, it is actually quite difficult to pronounce Ivan - your attempt at spelling it phonetically in English doesn't work, because "aj" would be pronounced "ædʒ" or "æʒ" instead of "aɪ", and you didn't actually provide a correct pronunciation, you just expect everyone to know.
Anglos really don't give a shit about other languages, and they get away with it because it isn't like you knowing how to say John - English has had centuries of almost complete cultural hegemony, while the Slavic languages are very much confined to eastern Europe. We're familiar with English from our schools and media, and use it to communicate on international websites like we're doing now. We can't avoid a familiarity with English, so we see and hear the names regularly, but almost never encounter Slavic names. People aren't reading "Ivan" and ignoring what they've been taught about how to pronounce those letters, they've never been taught the Cyrillic pronunciations in the first place. You have been taught English pronunciations, so John is easy to you, but when we switch to normal names in a language you aren't familiar with you run into the same difficulty Anglos do with Slavic names.
What's the excuse for not saying U (while it's clearly written) then?
Btw my stepfather from North Africa pronounces Slavic names better than 99% Anglos without any issue even if he didn't hear a single Slavic word in his life beforehand.
It's written "u", so is assumed to be pronounced "ʌ" - the "skʌ" at the end gets shortened to "sk" with a glottel stop replacing the "ʌ". To get the "uː" sound in english it would be expected to be spelt "ue".
Good for him.
You read most Eastern European languages languages the exact way they're written, which means no shortening of the letters and no French-ifying or Anglo-fying the names.
Just a further proof of how much Westoids don't give a shit unless it's a specific language or country they like, when someone who spoke Arabic and French the entire life knows to pronounce Slavic words without an issue. But I'm not surprised nor expect them to give any considering that they always portray Eastern Europeans as either: gopnik thugs, mafia/gang members, drunk wife beaters, buff violent boxers, supervillains/dictators bent on world domination, backward villagers or at best barely competent comic relief characters, which never changed nor will ever change.
So why would you want to even try to portray some backward grey Silent Hill hellhole full of vampires, mafia, alcoholics and bears even remotely accurately?
"You say it how it's written (no, not like that)"
Did you really type that out and feel it contributes to the conversation?
"you just say it how it's written, but make sure you don't say it how it's written in another lanaguge. Some of the letters literally don't exist in your language, but don't worry, you just say it how it's written."
I said good for him because I literally don't care about the non-Anglo non-Slav in the conversation about Anglos pronouncing Slavic names
Ultimately this rounds back to my first comment where I said you're a chauvinist - you're a fairly bog standard reactionary with a leftward bias who hasn't bothered with any critical analysis of their own views before trying to change everyone else's. You have the soul of an Anglo.
U for example exists in most languages, as do most other letters unlike Ć, Č, Ž, Đ and the rest of specific Cyrillic ones etc, so Anglos should definitely have the ability to pronounce it. Also, there is a replacement for each of these letters, just write C, Z or DZ.
I brought up the example just to show how much Anglos don't give a shit since they won't even TRY to pronounce it correctly, meanwhile people who never had any contact with Eastern Europe spell it better right off the bat than 99% Anglos. From my experience Greeks and Chinese also do it without any issue.
I do have a huge problem with Anglos considering the way they always depict Eastern Europe(along with some other parts of the world) and not giving a shit about it so much to the point that they can't even be bothered to spell few letters right, half-assing the pronunciation and just you know, always portraying Eastern Europeans extremely positively every chance they get (/s). So if having a problem with that is ''chauvinistic'' and same as Anglos portraying every part of the world they don't like in that way, changing the other cultures they way they like and wanting to insert their bullshit in other countries then idk what to say.
So as far as I'm concerned, Westoids(Anglos) should stay clear of Eastern Europe as a whole and never even try to depict it in any conceivable way because they did more than enough damage already ever since like Medieval times until today.
And is it pronounced the same in them? No.
You're not wrong to criticise Anglos for not trying with other languages, but by complaining about their pronunciation of written words you're actually criticising them for the times they do actually try. They get it wrong, but they are actually trying when they make those specific mistakes, because of how the English language works.
Oh stop being melodramatic, you inserted all of that yourself. If you don't know what chauvinism is you can just say.
U is U, it's not completely silent either way however it's pronounced.
They don't for certain languages. There are certain languages which they really do try to get right most of the time, but for some others they simply don't give a shit and keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
You said I'm similar to Anglos when, I literally never did or encouraged stuff which they're doing.
Queue has 2 u's and neither is pronounced. It's also silent in enough and bout. You are just proving yourself profoundly ignorant about language.
Please just look up chauvinism. It does not mean "Anglo", it's just something Anglos also do.
Queue isn't a Slavic/Eastern European word.
I stated what they do, that's chauvinism, if it's not that, point out why would I be.
You said u isn't silent however it pronounced, I pointed out that in English, the language were discussing, it can be silent. Not being a Slavic word is completely irrelevant.
Literally none of that is chauvinism - they are actions resulting from chauvinism, but chauvinism itself is fanatical nationalism and belief in the superiority of your culture. You believe that foreigners should magically know how to pronounce Slavic words without ever encountering a Slavic speaker, and refusing to look at the material differences in languages that cause different pronunciations. Theres no actual analysis, you're just coming up with post-hoc justifications for why you hate Anglos and sticking your fingers in your ears when that's pointed out. There are real reasons to hate Anglos, you don't have to act like a child.
~~Foreigners~~ Anglos, all foreigners in my experience had little to no problem pronouncing the names. The difference is that Anglos simply don't give a shit and won't even try.
Eastern Europe(along with other parts of the world they hate) IS superior to Angols, they always constantly portrayed us the way they did while they were going around and doing, well, you know everything they did, I don't have to list it. This is actually just one of the pet peeves and it pales in comparison with the reasons I hate them the most for.
So do they not give a shit or only sometimes give a shit? Can you really not tell how incoherent your views have been as we've gone along this stupid, stupid little trip?
Why are you on Lemmygrad? You don't believe in any of the theoretical underpinning of communism, you don't believe in materialism, you decided to share that you subscribed to racial theory because your feelings were hurt completely unprompted - why are you here? Shouldn't you be on sjw or one of the other fascist instances?
Very rarely give a shit.
Where did you get that? Of course I'm communist, like my entire family. And since when is believing that Global South is superior to Anglos wrong? I've literally seen comments that say stuff like nuke whole England/France etc, ''kill all white Westerners'', comparing Anglos with apes etc and suddenly it's a problem? And what do you mean by sjw?
It's politics, not a football team, your family's support shouldn't have any effect on yours.
Are you actually serious? Do you genuinely think you can be a communist and believe in the inherent racial superiority or inferiority of certain people?
How have you survived 38 years on this godsforsaken earth and you can't tell the difference between "I hate x country for its actions" and "these people are literally genetically inferior to me"?
sjw is sh.itjust.works, an instance for nazis like you.
I added that because they have the same opinion about Anglos and we're all communists.
I literally never said genetically, I said that other parts of the world are superior in a sense that they did more good stuff for the world, Anglos aren't bad because they're white and Anglos, they're bad because of stuff they did.
Who beat the Turks, French, Austrians and nazis in a span of century and gave the world: transmission of electricity, TV, computer, helicopters, radio, satellite, parachute, mobile phone, artificial heart, rocket, petrol cracking, monorail, space rover, radiator, hive frame, plastic, powdered milk, started world revolution and liberation of workers and sent a man to space? Who advanced science? Who gave the world gunpowder, silk, tea, alcohol, paper, printing, earthquake detector, compass etc and is one of the cradles of civilization? Where did human civilization start? Which are the cradles of civilization? And lastly, who literally invented racism, colonized, pillaged, enslaved genocided and starved entire nations on every continent put human beings in zoos until mid 20th century, inspired Holocaust and damaged the world to this day?
If the answers to these questions are:
1.Eastern Europe
2.Middle East
3.China
3.Africa
4.Latin America/China/India/Greece/Italy/Africa and Middle East
5.Anglos
Then they are correct.
Calling for nuking entire countries and killing entire ethnic groups is acceptable, but this is too far apparently.
Ok, now relate that to linguistics.
You're obviously aware that Anglos have real crimes to be criticised for because you reach for all of them immediately when you feel your hatred of them is being attacked, but you're viewing it through a reactionary lens of chauvinism and nationalism, assigning cultures as inferior and superior, rather than looking at the material conditions that caused them, and taking a vibes based "Anglo bad" stance towards everything rather than doing any examination of their contexts. You say you're a communist, but the idea that bad acts make an entire culture inferior is just base racism, and that good acts make an entire culture superior chauvinism. The idea that English should be pronounced like Slavic languages despite the material differences in their development is completely incoherent. Your ideological basis for what you're saying is just fascism.
Look at it this way: did you fight the Turks or Nazis?
It's not my fault that rest of the world is better. It's not my fault that they did the shit they did all these centuries and are still doing it today. As I said, I didn't say that they're inferior because of culture and because they're white and Anglos, but because of everything they did. Anglos change the names completely in order to suit their pronunciation instead of trying to pronounce it properly. Every single non-Eastern European person I knew tried to pronounce it right even if they don't have certain letters in their language and all of them did it miles better right off the bat than Anglos, this is simply because Anglos don't give a single shit about certain languages and culture most of the time, there are exceptions but in general it's like that. After portraying the Eastern Europe the way they do for like centuries by now, I don't even expect them to, same thing stands for a lot of other parts of the world they hate.
I can say that proudly that my ancestors did, unlike Anglos.