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Both, because nuance exists. You can have a law that says 'No smoking weed in public, except in parks or other outdoor areas where the smell is less likely to bother others.' Where rights and freedoms intersect it makes sense to limit both in ways that are reasonable in the context of their impact on the rights of others.
This seems reasonable, but then at what point do we say "no" to making dedicated spaces because someone thought their rights are being infringed?
Separate spaces for smoking are common. What about dedicated spaces where street music performers can perform and others where they can't?
What if someone doesn't want to see tattoos? At what point do you say "your annoyance is unreasonable"? I mean surely this one is, but is there a guideline that separates this from playing loud music?
A extreme case would be someone who wishes to make a space free of a certain race. Obviously this is ridiculous and bad, but I am seeking a guideline that can separate these unreasonable ones from the reasonable ones.
If you want to line to be somewhere other than where it is right now I think the onus is on you to show that where it is now is causing harm. You aren't harmed by seeing tattoos despite not wanting to, you can't reasonably expect everyone else to cover them up just because they offend you. If they trigger trauma or something individuals may be swayed by sympathy to hide theirs around you out of respect, but that's a choice they make, not a thing you can legislate upon them. Like if you're bad enough off that outlawing the public display of tattoos seems like a reasonable solution then what you have is a 'you problem', not an 'everyone else' problem, and you need to figure out how to get past that so that you can function in the world because it's unreasonable to expect the world to change around you to suit you.
There is no hard and fast guideline other than the general sense of what's reasonable that people develop by interacting. As I said in another comment under this post it's all contingent and case-by-case. Does the harm caused by X outweigh the harm caused by the harm/trouble/inconvenience/etc caused by the negation of X? If so the line probably needs to move.