New poll shows who Dems want in 2028 — and it’s not Kamala Harris (www.yahoo.com)

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The poll, released on May 30 by Atlas Intel, found Pete Buttigieg, the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and former transportation secretary in the Biden administration, to be the top pick among Democrats who responded to the survey.

A total of 31.5% of self-identified Democrats who responded to the poll said they would vote for Buttigieg for president in four years, according to the poll.

Other surveys in May from firms such as Echelon Insights and McLaughlin & Associates have found Harris in first place in the hypothetical primary, making Atlas Intel’s poll stand out among the rest.

Harris is the third most popular pick among Democrats in the poll, falling behind U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

If appearances mattered they wouldn't be doing half the shit they are doing right now.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Appearances do matter. It's how fascism comes to power.

https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/63502/understanding-how-fascism-showed-that-direct-government-is-not-same-as-self-gove

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

From your link:

Fascism cannot exist outside of a democratic political system any more than cancer can exist outside of a living organism, and for much the same reason. Fascism is a disease of liberal democracy, a disease that co-opts the principles and systems of liberal democracy to destroy it from within.

This is proven obviously false by history. Every successful fascist government abandoned the democratic political system when it was no longer useful. That's what I mean by appearances not mattering. Appearances do matter up to a certain point, but once fascists seize power the mask falls away and the fascists stop pretending because appearances stop mattering.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

How so? Mussolini did that exact process in Italy, as did Hitler and Franco.

I'd love a source on that

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Franco was never elected. He was appointed by the Junta during Spanish Civil War, and lost the elections a few years before.

As for Italy, the last elections were in 1934 once the fascists consolidated power and the Chamber of Deputies was replaced with the Chamber of Fasces and Corporations. The last elections Germany had were in 1933 which saw Hitler appointed as Chancellor.

Italy was a dictatorship 11 years, Germany for 12 years, and Spain for 40 years. They didn't even bother to maintain the appearance of democracy during this time, they dissolved parliaments and banned political parties and became very open dictatorships.

Once the fascists are in power they rip off the mask because appearances don't matter anymore.

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