128
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 30 May 2025
128 points (99.2% liked)
politics
22659 readers
145 users here now
Protests, dual power, and even electoralism.
Labour and union posts go to The Labour Community.
Take any slop posts to the slop trough
Main is good for shitposting.
Do not post direct links to reactionary sites.
Off topic posts will be removed.
Follow the Hexbear Code of Conduct and remember we're all comrades here.
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
I do not believe those haredi figures.
in which direction?
I don't believe the figure it that high. It's at odds with what we've seen in terms of orthodox jews being repressed for flying the palestinian flag, opposing the existence of a state of israel, etc. Two thirds of Haredi jews do not consider themselves zionists, it is a minority:
I think it's much more likely that they're doing some extreme bullshit with their sampling, or that non-zionist haredi simply refused to participate. The very existence of Israel is against the beliefs of most Haredi.
Is this disparity a result of Zionist Haredi self-selecting by immigrating?
If most Haredi feel Israel is against their beliefs, it stands to reason that most would avoid moving there. It also stands to reason the ones that did are already outside of the Haredi mainstream.
No. Haredi in Israel are a minority, the above 33/66 chart is inside Israel.
Also Haredi are growing in Israel, they will be the largest population segment by 2080. They have the highest birthrates. They don't oppose being there in the holy land, they oppose the existence of a jewish state that has been constructed before the Messiah has returned. They believe the current entity of Israel is a heresy and that jews are only allowed to have a state after the messiah returns.
My best guess is that they're refusing to participate in this kind of polling, or the polling is designed to be a lie to try and manipulate Haredi, because one thing Israel desperately wants is to change them before they become a majority.