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Hey fellow inhabitants of the Fediverse, particularly those lurking on Lemmy,

I've been thinking a lot lately about the nature of information, discourse, and where genuine human connection can still thrive online. It leads me back to platforms like this one.

We often talk about censorship in terms of direct bans or content removal, which is obviously a critical concern. But what about the more insidious forms of control? I'm talking about the subtle fiddling of algorithms, the deliberate hiding of certain content without outright deletion, the 'shadowbanning' that makes you feel like you're shouting into a void. How resistant is the decentralized nature of Lemmy, and the wider fediverse, to those kinds of pressures? It feels like the very architecture here might offer a unique defense, but I'm curious about the community's thoughts.

I know we're not exactly bursting at the seams with users, and frankly, if you're not already clued into how something like Lemmy works, you're probably never finding it through a casual search – SEO seems like a foreign concept here, battling potential duplicate content issues across instances. Is this quiet corner its strength, or its eventual downfall if the 'outside' world becomes too noisy?

Speaking of noise, it feels like nearly 90% of the content generated on the broader internet these days is starting to feel like it's churned out by LLMs. Autogenerated articles, comments, even entire 'conversations' that ring hollow. Is the Fediverse, specifically, a safe haven from that rising tide of artificial content? Does the human-centric, community-driven nature of these instances inherently push back against such automation?

I've looked into ActivityPub and other federation tools in the past, and my observation has often been that they've been adopted primarily by marginalized groups in society, seeking refuge from mainstream platforms. While that's incredibly valuable and a testament to their utility, what could truly happen to extend this concept, to genuinely get more people involved without compromising the very principles that make it appealing – decentralization, human curation, and resilience against algorithmic manipulation?

Just throwing it out there. Would appreciate any insights or theories.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

There are several types of threats, some that Lemmy is quite well protected against, some that Lemmy is very exposed to.

  1. DoS/DDoS - An attack that overwhelms a system, preventing legitimate traffic to/from the server. I would rate this as a medium risk currently, Lemmy in it's concept is actually quite resilient against attacks like that due to it's distributed nature, I actually don't believe it is technically possible to take down Lemmy completely through a denial of service attack, as you would need to attack all instances and hope no one has a backup. The main reason I still rate the risk medium is the consolidation of communities and users on a few servers like lemmy.world, lemmy.ml and lemmy.ee. This makes lemmy vulnerable to a fairly small attack, communities should be spread around the instances to reduce the impact of an attack.
  2. Government censoring - Low/medium, the government of some countries can order that an instance owner in their country takes down a post/comment, but they don't have the power to order a foreign instance owner to do the same, so lemmy as a whole is not super exposed to this threat.
  3. Influencing attack/Psyop/Harrassment - Very high, Lemmy lacks an efficient global tool to prevent users from escaping a permanent ban over the whole network. I would not be surprised to learn that Lemmy had a few seemingly normal instances that are being run by national security agencies all over the world, and when they need to they can just set up new users.
[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

This makes sense, thanks for the answer!

Consolidation is inevitable I think. The most important feature of a social network is who's on it, and federation is a technical enough concept that it's going to be very hard to convince people not to go to the biggest instance.

I'm not a dev, but I believe the only way to avoid consolidation is to build some kind of neutral signup site that automatically assigns people to an instance based on load/location. This would also be good for adoption cause people could sign up without having to figure out what instances are.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

You are completely right about consolidation, most people will use what they believe is the most stable service.

I picked lemmy.zip because the normal UI was similar to that of old Reddit, and I am very happy with my choice.

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