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On Wednesday, Parliament's Privileges Committee released its final report into the MPs who protested the Treaty Principles Bill with a haka in the House in November 2024.

There was surprise and shock over the recommended punishments for Te Pāti Māori MPs, which seemed both unprecedented and extreme.

In retrospect, considering this week's response from Parliament's Speaker, the advice now available from Parliament's Clerk, and Committee Chair Judith Collins' public defence of her own report, that the initial reaction was overly calm. The committee report now appears partisan, indefensible and open to attacks of racism.

On Tuesday, 20 May, Parliament's House will debate whether or not to accept the Privileges Committee Report and its recommendations for punishments, namely that Te Pāti Māori's two co-leaders be suspended from Parliament for 21 days and their junior colleague for seven days, all without salary.

Talking to RNZ's Morning Report, Collins gave her view of the actions and motivations.

"This is not about haka, this is not about tikanga. This is about MPs impeding a vote, acting in a way that could be seen as intimidating MPs trying to exercise their right to vote.

"After Te Pāti Māori had exercised their right to vote, they then stopped the ACT Party from exercising theirs."

That is not true.

ACT had already voted. Every party had voted before Te Pāti Māori did. As the smallest party in Parliament, Te Pāti Māori is always the last to be called on for their vote.

It has been that way all Parliament.

Judith Collins could not fail to be aware of that.

The vote tallies and outcome had not yet been declared by the Speaker, so the fuller voting process was incomplete, and disrupting it was disorderly behaviour; but the claim that the MPs were intimidating another party to prevent it from voting is entirely unfounded.

The answer Collins gave RNZ was either misinformation (perhaps Judith Collins mistakenly believes the MP's actions were more serious than they were) or it was disinformation (in the aftermath of the report, she might have felt it necessary to convince the country the incident was more serious than it was).

Whatever the reason for the untruth, the claim suggests that Collins has a more jaundiced view of the MPs' actions than is realistic or defensible.

Did she fundamentally misunderstand the MPs' actions during the investigation (which would cast the committee findings into doubt), or did political or other prejudice make those actions appear worse than the evidence showed?

Research has repeatedly found that in any justice system, dark-skinned defendants are treated more severely based on ethnicity.

Findings based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the sequence of events would be highly embarrassing. Findings tainted by political or other prejudice would bring both the committee and the Parliament into disrepute.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

RNZ's radio reporting during the week did say 'recommended'

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Ah good. This other post is titled "Māori Party MPs suspended over haka protest in NZ parliament", which is very misleading. The article does mention that it's a recommendation, but implies it's all but confirmed that it will happen. This article implies otherwise, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah I think i'll put Parliament TV on at 2pm today to see how it goes.

Unfortunately I can see Labour being gutless and not wanting to antagonise the racists by standing up against the overreach here. Hipkins has already hinted at it by saying he thinks the focus should be on debating pay equity & the budget.

In an unsurprising, but significant slip of the mask towards authoritarianism - Seymour's been arguing in the media that the punishment should be 90 days.

We are now on the slippery slope where the party with a majority in Parliament can suspend their opposition whenever they want on a slim majority - ala Fiji.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

How much of a reach is to presume the recommendation will be followed given the parties involved in the dispute?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I am really quite curious. It will be an insane reach of power to do this. To suspend multiple members of parliament for 7 times longer than anyone has ever been suspended before.

The article mentions:

"Moving to the imposition of much longer periods of suspension than have been imposed previously would be a substantial change to the House's practice.

It also says:

In fact, the severe punishment recommended by the committee was agreed upon by a thin majority. MPs from the governing coalition all voted in favour; MPs from the Opposition all voted against. A narrow majority for this kind of recommendation is also unprecedented.

It also says:

The Clerk's advice concludes:

"Adopting a substantial change to the House's practice, if done in the context of a particular case, could appear arbitrary.

Basically that this is all highly unusual, and it seems the government is trying to intimidate the smaller party.

I feel like this is leading to some form of historic record regardless of the final resolution. I would not be surprised if they end up enforcing something like the recommendation, but it's still crazy to recommend it and does bring into question how we run parliament.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I don't know why this country has blinders on. This coalition is taking the road Trump took to gain power. That involved violating every norm, breaking every standard and now completely ignoring the law and the courts.

You listed a set of norms. This coalition doesn't care about norms. They don't care what was done before. They voted for this along party lines knowing full well it was well outside of norms and Collins even lied saying the Maori party prevented ACT from voting when they had already voted.

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