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You're right that it doesn't solve much but the two party system in the US is particularly terrible. Fundamental change is a lot harder to achieve than changing voting systems and even with a socialist state we'd want one of these, so I think there's no point opposing it even if it isn't a panacea
Electoral reform not only doesn't address root causes, it doesn't even treat the symptoms. It hasn't prevented australia or japan from having far right governments, hasn't returned land to indigenous peoples, hasn't done anything against inequality, hasn't empowered poorer peoples. All it does is make the political bribery slightly more expensive.
At a deeper level, representative elections always result in an oligarchy. The wealthy / economically dominant classes are the only ones who have enough money / prestige to finance their campaigns and win the popularity contest. It makes any political system based on elections nothing more than political theatre.
This is basic stuff even the ancient greeks knew, and communists learned through trial and error, yet liberals in the 21st century can't wrap their heads around it.
I disagree, i think it makes it possible for 3rd parties to succeed, maybe not in practice, but at least theoretically, which is a worthwhile change. But let's grant that that's all it does... that's still a good thing and not worth opposing.
Yup, I agree with all this, but i don't see it as a reason to oppose better election systems.
Let me give you example i know, Poland. It have on the face value much better electoral system than USA nad lo and behold, 17 political parties and 49 independents got elected to sejm! But each and every single one of them is neoliberal and EU and or/US bootlicker, there was nobody else to choose except open nazis. Dessalines is completely right.
That isn't good evidence, we don't have a large sample size and the culture can vary highly depending on the conditions at the start.
One country, even 10 countries, would not be a scientific study.
I think in the us it'd be possible to have a party that supports universal healthcare. Sure they'd still be libs but that would still massively help.
Nearly every country in Europe have similar electoral system, and everywhere neoliberalism is the dominant ideology for decades.
Yup, but they at least have political parties that support free healthcare.
you're forgetting how terrible the american parties are.
Better then more then half being fascists
They are all fascist, just not very scratched yet, but they all vote for supporting the neobanderites.
Lol the neobanderites huh, sounds like exactly what Russia would say, "odd."
Preventing Russia from shamelessly land grabbing Ukraine isn't "supporting neoanderites"
They are building a fucking monuments of Bandera, have his on manifestations, hang his photos in offices, name things after him etc.
You: "Russian propaganda". I mean if that was the case, west should not even meddle there because "Russian propaganda" is almighty.
Also, FYI i'm a Pole, my grandparents neighbours spend few years fearing original banderites (and a lot of their neighbours got murdered), so take your nazi propaganda and stuff it in your ass.
Who is "they"? What proof/evidence do you have this?
I literally just pointed out the only places talking like that I've ever seen are oddly Russian outlets, which is what was used to justify invading Ukraine in the first place.
I literally said nothing in support of Nazis, simply questioned your evidence (and am still doing so)
Agreed. Let's not let perfect be the enemy of good. Even if it ONLY makes bribery more expensive, is that not a good thing?