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Canada should move towards integration with Europe instead of the U.S.
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this post was submitted on 27 Apr 2025
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We’re done with the US but we’re also not joining the EU, although we have great allies there.
You mean you are done with the US and you are not joining the EU and not all Canadians feel this way.
A national survey conducted by Abacus Data in late February 2025, involving 1,500 Canadian adults, revealed:
high level figures in the EU have repeatedly stated that while they appreciate the gesture, Canada wont ever be a member. So its best to abandon those pipe dreams. When it comes down to the details, the EU is a boys club for Western and Central Europe, they dont even treat their Eastern members as anything more than a buffer zone against the Russians,
the EU isnt flawless either, Russia has infiltrated it with trojan horse governments like the Hungarian Fidesz party and the Slovakian SMER party, who embezzle EU funds and politically roadblock motions with their veto. Canada trying to decouple with the US just to dive into the EU is like running from a burning house into a house with a basement meth lab.
let me give you a counter argument as a german citizen:
The EU is still a union of a multitude of countries, all pretty different in their approach on geopolitics, economy and security. But we are a union that has brought peace for the longest time Europe ever had uninterupted. We aren't totally homogenous when it comes to values, but we align each other pretty well. Hungary, Slovakia, at times Poland (although since 2020 their rhetoric has been largely overlooked) are doing their best blocking progress, but they aren't really in a position to do so for much longer. Among european unionists and federalists there has also been talk about a multi-level EU model, where you don't have to 100% commit to EU regulations and laws, and still enjoy the benefit of the european singlemarket, possibly Schengen-Access, or at least visa free.
So, never say never ;)
as others in this same thread have said.
Canada even in its crisis mode facing the prospect of a hostile America, with its whole Canada First, Elbows up rhetoric, is still -extremely- "americanized". Our ideas of Liberalism and Conservatism are very right wing compared to Europe, much like how the US republicans and democrats are both right wing compared to say, a German or French parliament.
it would take a very long time and a lot of pain and suffering in Canada to move away from the status quo. The NDP are the closest thing to a left wing party in this country and politically, they're on track to be absolutely eviscerated and effectively dismantled as a party in our election.
I "grew up" with people online since I was a teenager, I've visited Europe, I had close friends fromthe UK, Germany Poland and France, I've had relationships with people from Ukraine and a Portuguese born UK, I understand the European values and customs... the thing is, people like me are a minority even in Canada. Canadians have grown accustomed to a hybrid system thats kind of like Europe and Kind of like America, and they dont want to fully switch to one team or the other.
The problem is, that hybrid system is no longer tenable. and people are going to kick and scream for as long as possible before they realize they have to draw a line in the sand and choose a side.
Sounds like you don't follow contemporary EU politics too closely, even if you've spent time there in the past.
The last time I set foot in Europe was in 2010, so it might as well have been a lifetime ago. the world as a whole of 2010 is completely alien compared to 2025
The far right is a major power bloc over there now, and centrist parties have become openly anti-immigrant and nativist in response. Canada's way ahead of Europe on tolerance at this point. Even in 2010 Merkel, for example, was plenty fiscally conservative, while Trudeau was elected later and expanded our own spending. There's other nations that are more interventionist, but Canada wouldn't be unusual. The far right is also anti-climate action, so we wouldn't be worst in class on that, although probably below average.
European Far Right Politics are actively being influenced by Russian disinformation and cyber operations, "Human wave attacks" of Migrants being sent through Belarus on behalf of Russia and the puppet state's governments. and a mountain of homegrown and american shit online.
It might be Tim Pool, Elon Musk, or Jordan Peterson speaking it, but the hand controlling the Sockpuppet is usually smelling of vodka and caviar.
edit, I went off on a tangent here, so semi off topic from hereon out.
*The far right has resorted to sarcastically responding "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!" anytime foreign involvement in their shit is brought up, because its a nervous defensive tic, people are either knowing, or in denial, that an overwhelming amount of public discourse and disputes in the west can be directley traced back to the Kremlin, who essentially consider themselves to be at war with the west. and this is how they fight their war, because conventionally, The Ukrainians already showed us the Russians cant fight for shit in a shooting war.... *
Everyone laughed in 2022 and was like "holy shit, the russians dont know how to fight"... and then a depressing terrifying reality set in, "Holy shit... the russians dont know how to fight.... so if they ever do, they'll get fucking flattened, freak out, and resort to nukes..."
It started in 2014 and people seem to have forgotten what the term Hybrid Warfare means. because it never stopped even if Real full scale mechanized warfare started in 2022