▲ 326 ▼ OpenAI wants to buy Chrome and make it an “AI-first” experience (arstechnica.com) submitted 2 years ago by neme@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.world 64 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 116 points 2 years ago (17 children) Sounds like the best thing that could happen to Firefox permalink fedilink source hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 57 points 2 years ago* (12 children) Unfortunately, Mozilla is investing a ton of money into AI, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (5 children) A desperate attempt of revenue diversification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Considering how little they invest into their core product compared to all the other shit and how much money the top brass earns despite declining market share, I don't think they're hurting for money that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) They are investing a lot in their core product. Problem is that you can't really monatize it. You want Firefox to be paywalled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ideally it would be financed by user donations. Probably not that realistic for a project like this, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent [–] exu@feditown.com 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) Some of their I initiatives are good, like the built-in local translation tool we now have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago Also their initiative to recognise images and generate alt-text for screen-reader users. My sister is blind and screen readers are close to useless on the web, so it was great to hear Mozilla is working on that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago* Mozilla will loose Google's deal money. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vivendi@programming.dev 16 points 2 years ago Mozilla works mainly on LOCAL AI not this corporate trash like closedAI permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bazimon@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Look into Waterfox instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 2 years ago That really doesn't solve the problem, like every other Firefox fork they're completely dependent on Firefox. You can't just make a new webbrowser just like that, and while third party developers can certainly disable some anti-features, there are limits to that and they can definitely not do the basic work that the Firefox devs do (or could do, if Mozilla had different priorities). permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (1 child) Mozilla spinning off control of its development to an independent group the way they did with Thunderbird would be the best thing that could happen to Firefox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird : Operated by MZLA Technologies Corporation, a subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, Thunderbird is an independent, community-driven project that is managed and overseen by the Thunderbird Council, which is elected by the Thunderbird community. Chrome self-destructing because of stupidity like AI would only ever manage to be a close second, at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago Has Mozilla indicated any openness to taking that approach with Firefox? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago Firefox, the software mainly driven by Mozilla, which is heavily investing in AI and ads ventures? That Firefox? But, maybe "it will be different this time", I guess. permalink fedilink source parent [+] peterg75@discuss.online -14 points 2 years ago this! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 57 points 2 years ago* (12 children) Unfortunately, Mozilla is investing a ton of money into AI, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (5 children) A desperate attempt of revenue diversification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Considering how little they invest into their core product compared to all the other shit and how much money the top brass earns despite declining market share, I don't think they're hurting for money that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) They are investing a lot in their core product. Problem is that you can't really monatize it. You want Firefox to be paywalled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ideally it would be financed by user donations. Probably not that realistic for a project like this, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent [–] exu@feditown.com 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) Some of their I initiatives are good, like the built-in local translation tool we now have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago Also their initiative to recognise images and generate alt-text for screen-reader users. My sister is blind and screen readers are close to useless on the web, so it was great to hear Mozilla is working on that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago* Mozilla will loose Google's deal money. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vivendi@programming.dev 16 points 2 years ago Mozilla works mainly on LOCAL AI not this corporate trash like closedAI permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bazimon@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Look into Waterfox instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 2 years ago That really doesn't solve the problem, like every other Firefox fork they're completely dependent on Firefox. You can't just make a new webbrowser just like that, and while third party developers can certainly disable some anti-features, there are limits to that and they can definitely not do the basic work that the Firefox devs do (or could do, if Mozilla had different priorities). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (5 children) A desperate attempt of revenue diversification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Considering how little they invest into their core product compared to all the other shit and how much money the top brass earns despite declining market share, I don't think they're hurting for money that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) They are investing a lot in their core product. Problem is that you can't really monatize it. You want Firefox to be paywalled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ideally it would be financed by user donations. Probably not that realistic for a project like this, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Considering how little they invest into their core product compared to all the other shit and how much money the top brass earns despite declining market share, I don't think they're hurting for money that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) They are investing a lot in their core product. Problem is that you can't really monatize it. You want Firefox to be paywalled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ideally it would be financed by user donations. Probably not that realistic for a project like this, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) They are investing a lot in their core product. Problem is that you can't really monatize it. You want Firefox to be paywalled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ideally it would be financed by user donations. Probably not that realistic for a project like this, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ideally it would be financed by user donations. Probably not that realistic for a project like this, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] exu@feditown.com 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) Some of their I initiatives are good, like the built-in local translation tool we now have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago Also their initiative to recognise images and generate alt-text for screen-reader users. My sister is blind and screen readers are close to useless on the web, so it was great to hear Mozilla is working on that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago Also their initiative to recognise images and generate alt-text for screen-reader users. My sister is blind and screen readers are close to useless on the web, so it was great to hear Mozilla is working on that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago* Mozilla will loose Google's deal money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vivendi@programming.dev 16 points 2 years ago Mozilla works mainly on LOCAL AI not this corporate trash like closedAI permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bazimon@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Look into Waterfox instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 2 years ago That really doesn't solve the problem, like every other Firefox fork they're completely dependent on Firefox. You can't just make a new webbrowser just like that, and while third party developers can certainly disable some anti-features, there are limits to that and they can definitely not do the basic work that the Firefox devs do (or could do, if Mozilla had different priorities). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 2 years ago That really doesn't solve the problem, like every other Firefox fork they're completely dependent on Firefox. You can't just make a new webbrowser just like that, and while third party developers can certainly disable some anti-features, there are limits to that and they can definitely not do the basic work that the Firefox devs do (or could do, if Mozilla had different priorities). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (1 child) Mozilla spinning off control of its development to an independent group the way they did with Thunderbird would be the best thing that could happen to Firefox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird : Operated by MZLA Technologies Corporation, a subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, Thunderbird is an independent, community-driven project that is managed and overseen by the Thunderbird Council, which is elected by the Thunderbird community. Chrome self-destructing because of stupidity like AI would only ever manage to be a close second, at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago Has Mozilla indicated any openness to taking that approach with Firefox? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago Has Mozilla indicated any openness to taking that approach with Firefox? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago Firefox, the software mainly driven by Mozilla, which is heavily investing in AI and ads ventures? That Firefox? But, maybe "it will be different this time", I guess. permalink fedilink source parent