I find it telling that he doesn't seem to be able to understand that. It doesn't say much for his ability to negotiate or switch gears on the fly when needed.

If nothing else I think Trump, in his selfish way, helped us dodge a .50 cal bullet.

You are right. I also feel like Carney is now the adult in the room. With the economic and other threats from USA he seems the strongest one to counter and that’s what we need. At least I hope he is the force he seems to be.

Nobody wanted Trudeau

Meh. I thought Justin's team did really well in blunting the economic tsunami that came with covid. I think he took a lot of reasonable steps in the right order, or his team did. He stood up for the cameras and said the words he needed, and there was a feeling of communication and openness that wasn't unilaterally consistent but seemed consistent around covid.

I think he made some errors - to get a list, just see whatever the cons hyper-focused on in an attempt to find some outrage somewhere - but on balance he did well. His last act, resigning at the right time to give Mr Carney a chance to get in and lay down a personality for the cameras, was also I think well done. And if Justin's last effort was to show us a decent alternative to Milhouse, then I'll give him credit for that too.

I'm sorry to hear people abjectly hating on Trudeau, but honestly my biggest beef with him is the lack of voting reform as planned; but given the pandemic, I'll take a Status Quo on that then like I will now given the trade war overshadowing it in importance.

I didn’t want JT the last time I voted for him either but I would have voted again to prevent PP from being elected. I can’t think of any other conservative or any politician I’ve disliked as much, i like him less than Harper.

When asked by volunteers why I won’t vote conservative i said I won’t vote for a party and candidate that uses trump style nicknames like “carbon tax carney”