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The lead plaintiff in the case, Nyree Hinton, bought a used Model Y with less than 37,000 miles (59,546 km) on the odometer. Within six months, it had pushed past the 50,000-mile (80,467 km) mark, at which point the car's bumper-to-bumper warranty expired. (Like virtually all EVs, Tesla powertrains have a separate warranty that lasts much longer.)

For this six-month period, Hinton says his Model Y odometer gained 13,228 miles (21,288 km). By comparison, averages of his three previous vehicles showed that with the same commute, he was only driving 6,086 miles (9,794 km) per 6 months.

Edit: I just want to point out that I just learned that changing your tires to ones of a different diameter can also affect how your spedometer clocks. So yeah, this issue is full of nuance and plausible things as to why this could not be true.

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[-] [email protected] 282 points 1 month ago

It's far more likely that the odometer in Teslas are just poor quality crap like the rest of the car.

[-] [email protected] 177 points 1 month ago

We already know they knowingly lied about battery range, the capabilities of self driving, and a ton of other fraudulent practices. Tesla is doing it intentionally is more likely than poor build quality.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

In fact I believe the odometer reading is calculated from the electricty consumption, not from a meter in the gearbox. So if the range reading is inaccurate (and they are) it would throw out the mileage as well.

Should be super easy to prove too… Take an assortment of Teslas to a 1 mile stretch of road, drive it up and down 20 times, measure the mileage before and after.

Not necessarily, the incorrect readings may only occur at certain speeds or conditions.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

That would make no sense. There has to be something spinning connected to something rolling in the ground.

All the AC motors have some kind of encoder to control rotation (and can easily be used to count rotations as well). But if Xitter and Doge have taught us anything, it’s that the programmers for Musks companies more not be very competent.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Apparently its based on the field rotations in the motor or something, remember this is a fixed gear vehicle. I don't think ICE cars use a gear either anymore, its based on the crankshaft sensor for the EFI, multipled by a gear ratio figure in the ECU. Even pushbikes don't have gear sensors for speedo reading, they count magnetic fluctuations in the rim.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I’ll bite, what is the evidence that Tesla knowingly lied about battery range?

[-] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago
[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Ah okay this makes more sense. With all electric driving ranges the EPA/CARB more pessimistic than, say, WLTP. The probable place that could be gamed in determining this range, to my knowledge, is to shut off anything that might require more power (ie. AC).

However, if the range estimated in the software for the dashboard does not match reality, that is indeed the fault of Tesla

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Makes the range look longer, also.

[-] [email protected] 82 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Odometers are one of the oldest consumer protection tools. If it's off, it's very illegal.

[-] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago

Yup, odometers were regulated specifically to protect consumers from widespread odometer fraud. Shit like companies requiring oil changes every 5k miles, and the odometer shows 5000 when it’s actually only 4000, so consumers pay for more service than they need. Or cases like this one, where a company is required to provide a warranty until the 50k odometer reading, and then fudges the odometer so it voids the warranty sooner than it should.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Used to be the other way around, undercount the miles so that you can sell it at a higher price.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Double dick move by tesla, shorten the warranty period, and lower the resale value! INNOVATIVE!

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

thats why you never hear people buying a used one, too defective.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I wonder how sophisticated this fraud is? They could have it rush to 50k, and then "catch up" by running more slowly for the next few 10s of thousands to cover the tracks.

[-] [email protected] 81 points 1 month ago
[-] [email protected] 71 points 1 month ago

When accused of crimes, deflect by admitting to even bigger crimes.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago
[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

I have the worst fucking attorneys

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Double it and give it to the next defendant!

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

For Trump justice is indeed ike playing Uno

[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

I mean, VW tried to blame poor quality software (aka a bug) for their abnormal emissions, before it was discovered it's fully intended to cheat emissions testing.
I wouldn't put it above Tesla to do the same here.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Sorry officer, I'm just really stupid.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Sure, but if you apply hanlon's razor whenever it's applicable, you're right more often.

"never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It can definitely be both. Trump is exhibit A. Its never enough for them to get what they want, it has to hurt the other person or party on the other end of any interaction. They are thoroughly malicious and stupid

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Nah fuck hanlons razor. Evil people can be stupid but they are still evil. If the incompetence reaches this point it is also malice.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I'm not saying both aren't possible. And I'm not saying both don't apply here.

But in general, if you make it a practice to remember Hanlon's razor, you will be both correct more often and generally happier. I'm just suggesting, do it for your own sake. Assume the best of intentions in people, because usually people do mean well. And also expect them to let you down by making genuinely stupid choices, because then you won't be surprised when they do.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I assume the best intentions of people that haven't repeatedly proven that they do not have the best of intentions. Telsa has repeatedly shown that they are willing to break the law to accomplish something they want and this isn't a huge step farther all things considered.

Never attribute to malice or stupidity that which can be explained by moderately rational individuals following incentives in a complex system.

[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

Sure, but then you'd also expect to hear about Teslas with odometers that massively underreport the distance, too. Or that fail altogether. And while no one would be likely to report the former, the latter might be a bigger deal.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Had a Tesla Model 3 before, have a VW ID.7 now. They're driven the same and it looks like they both agree about the distances driven.

FWIW

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

all the models have defects, it just nobody complained enough that the news picked on it. i remmeber on reddit, some fanboy bought one for 140k or something around the time twitter was bought, everyone was quesitoning why he bought it at a volatile time.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Even more likely there is a bug ticket in thier system that says some part is malfunctioning causing the odometer to count too fast. And that ticket has been depriortized by product management repeatedly as fixing it generates no increase in revenue.

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