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The original was posted on /r/todayilearned by /u/MechCADdie on 2025-04-04 08:19:11+00:00.

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[+] -4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)
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    The comment you're responding to really doesn't seem to be condoning those things; the thing being argued here is whether there was a push in a progressive direction, you said these events are evidence against that, which they countered with the idea that war has a regressive influence, something your quote is supporting.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    really doesn’t seem to be condoning those things

    Exactly: total failure of reading comprehension. Acts like bro saying that bad thing doesn't support a conclusion means bro now endorses bad thing. Wut?

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    Then criticizing those things would be legitimate. To disagree that there’s legitimate criticism regarding those issues is to condone them.

    If what you meant by "legitimate criticisms" was to say that criticism of these policies themselves is legitimate, that's an extremely confusing way to say it given the context (both previous comments and the first part of your own comment), it very much sounds like you were saying something entirely different. I don't think it's fair to assume that someone objecting to your statement is objecting to that meaning of it.

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    I think you'd have a really hard time finding someone on Lemmy genuinely trying to argue Japanese internment was a good thing, there's no need to immediately jump to the conclusion that people are saying that especially if it makes way more sense that they were saying something else.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My apologies, I guess I wasn't clear enough. My point was that it's unfair to blame those things as results of progressive policies.

    But hey, thanks for the gross mischaracterization of my perspective.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Please allow me to clarify my perspective on this discussion.

    This commenter associated a bunch of effects with the progressive era.

    You then replied with a thoughtful response that questioned most of their points.

    But then you wrote

    Japanese Internment
    
    Two major Red Scares and a collapse in union membership
    

    Legitimate criticisms.

    At this point, I read that as you acknowledging those two points as legitimate criticisms against the progressive era. This is what I disputed. I think those are unfair criticisms, as far as I understood the words you wrote.

    This is all I said. I've jumped to no other conclusions. I've said nothing against you or your character. I've made no other assumptions. I simply wrote a response based off the words you used.

    I see you've further clarified your perspective as well, and understand that we're of the same perspective on the matter. You have no need to be so defensive anymore, my dude.

    Edit: the other commenter essentially proved that they were just baiting people into inflammatory discussion. They kept resorting to personal attacks and flip-flopped on their position solely to continue arguing. This behavior is not tolerated here. Please report such trolls in the future.

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