▲ 821 ▼ Mozilla Thunderbird Challenges Gmail With Its Own Email Service (www.forbes.com) submitted 1 year ago by ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/technology@lemmy.world 142 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] ray1992xd@feddit.nl 207 points 1 year ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (25 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago (5 children) I keep hearing a lot of negative comments about Mozilla lately. I’m wondering if this move is more in line with then just turning into another google rather than disrupting the marketplace. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Google only checked out and cashed in after getting a monopoly. Mozilla let themselves fade into irrelevance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) yeah, might seem good to have yet another choice, but it's an illusion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mke@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child) If they're user funded, their incentives are fundamentally different from Google's. Even thinking as a business, it makes no sense to enshittify the way Google does. It's a different choice, even if it's not the choice you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago different, yes. but by how much and will it be different in ways that truly matter permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 year ago (1 child) For now, they're better than Google. I have some bad opinions about them, but anything better than Google competing with Google is an improvement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago Yeah it’s not even close. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sihil@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago ...and then join the big tech at some point. permalink fedilink source parent [+] 0x0@programming.dev -55 points 1 year ago (15 children) It's a saturated market and email is starting to disappear (it'll take years, but the signs are there). They'd be better using it on the browser and ditching other products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] scratchee@feddit.uk 71 points 1 year ago (1 child) Email isn’t going anywhere. It’s the ipv4 of communication. You can list 100 things bad about it and none of it matters, too many things are now built on top of it, no competitor can possibly have a chance without first reimplementing email, and then they’re just adding extensions which everyone else ignores, and email continues. The more plausible threat to email is that it gets siloed into the top 5 or 6 providers and everyone else gets filtered out as spam (ie you need gmail, hotmail, etc or your emails will never reach anyone) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Scrollone@feddit.it 12 points 1 year ago The big providers problem is already true, but DMARC and DKIM mitigated that problem. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1984@lemmy.today 47 points 1 year ago (3 children) No its never going to disappear. If you are referring to people using slack and chat apps, those are locked in walled gardens where your messages cant ever leave. Email can be moved anywhere easily. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) On top of that, people still use email to sign up for these gardens. Technically, you could use your phone number too. I wonder how far could you take this idea of living completely without email. Job applications, and several other sign ins still depend on email, so that’s going to be a bit of a hitch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fishpen0@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 4 points 1 year ago Oh, that’s a very good point! Makes you look at this proposal in a completely different way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 year ago Email won't disappear sooner or later. It's a huge part of communication between companies, nonprofit, state, etc. It may be less between people or with consumers. But, it still is widely use otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (5 children) I'm curious, not bashing. What signs have you seen that lead you to believe email is dying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] 0x0@programming.dev -15 points 1 year ago (4 children) It's insecure by default and Kids These Days™ prefer messaging apps, which have boomed in the last decade. Time will tell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago So... Exactly how it was 20 years ago. Kids Those Days used AIM and Yahoo Messenger instead of slack and discord. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) What do you make of the use of email in the business world? You're right that quite a bit of that has turned into instant messaging as well, ie I text my boss instead of sending them mail but it definitely feels like that's going away a lot slower if not expanding permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Email is a must for between businesses. Having said that, lots of internal communication is findingther channels, like Teams, Slack, and so on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] fishpen0@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 19 points 1 year ago Any business2business or consumer2business communication will likely still happen over email for a very long time permalink fedilink source parent [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago email is starting to disappear The fuck it is lol, do you have any idea how much email is used in literally everything? How old are you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago (5 children) I keep hearing a lot of negative comments about Mozilla lately. I’m wondering if this move is more in line with then just turning into another google rather than disrupting the marketplace. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Google only checked out and cashed in after getting a monopoly. Mozilla let themselves fade into irrelevance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) yeah, might seem good to have yet another choice, but it's an illusion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mke@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child) If they're user funded, their incentives are fundamentally different from Google's. Even thinking as a business, it makes no sense to enshittify the way Google does. It's a different choice, even if it's not the choice you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago different, yes. but by how much and will it be different in ways that truly matter permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago Google only checked out and cashed in after getting a monopoly. Mozilla let themselves fade into irrelevance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) yeah, might seem good to have yet another choice, but it's an illusion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mke@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child) If they're user funded, their incentives are fundamentally different from Google's. Even thinking as a business, it makes no sense to enshittify the way Google does. It's a different choice, even if it's not the choice you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago different, yes. but by how much and will it be different in ways that truly matter permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mke@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child) If they're user funded, their incentives are fundamentally different from Google's. Even thinking as a business, it makes no sense to enshittify the way Google does. It's a different choice, even if it's not the choice you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago different, yes. but by how much and will it be different in ways that truly matter permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago different, yes. but by how much and will it be different in ways that truly matter permalink fedilink source parent
[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 year ago (1 child) For now, they're better than Google. I have some bad opinions about them, but anything better than Google competing with Google is an improvement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago Yeah it’s not even close. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago Yeah it’s not even close. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sihil@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago ...and then join the big tech at some point. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] 0x0@programming.dev -55 points 1 year ago (15 children) It's a saturated market and email is starting to disappear (it'll take years, but the signs are there). They'd be better using it on the browser and ditching other products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] scratchee@feddit.uk 71 points 1 year ago (1 child) Email isn’t going anywhere. It’s the ipv4 of communication. You can list 100 things bad about it and none of it matters, too many things are now built on top of it, no competitor can possibly have a chance without first reimplementing email, and then they’re just adding extensions which everyone else ignores, and email continues. The more plausible threat to email is that it gets siloed into the top 5 or 6 providers and everyone else gets filtered out as spam (ie you need gmail, hotmail, etc or your emails will never reach anyone) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Scrollone@feddit.it 12 points 1 year ago The big providers problem is already true, but DMARC and DKIM mitigated that problem. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1984@lemmy.today 47 points 1 year ago (3 children) No its never going to disappear. If you are referring to people using slack and chat apps, those are locked in walled gardens where your messages cant ever leave. Email can be moved anywhere easily. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) On top of that, people still use email to sign up for these gardens. Technically, you could use your phone number too. I wonder how far could you take this idea of living completely without email. Job applications, and several other sign ins still depend on email, so that’s going to be a bit of a hitch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fishpen0@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 4 points 1 year ago Oh, that’s a very good point! Makes you look at this proposal in a completely different way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 year ago Email won't disappear sooner or later. It's a huge part of communication between companies, nonprofit, state, etc. It may be less between people or with consumers. But, it still is widely use otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (5 children) I'm curious, not bashing. What signs have you seen that lead you to believe email is dying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] 0x0@programming.dev -15 points 1 year ago (4 children) It's insecure by default and Kids These Days™ prefer messaging apps, which have boomed in the last decade. Time will tell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago So... Exactly how it was 20 years ago. Kids Those Days used AIM and Yahoo Messenger instead of slack and discord. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) What do you make of the use of email in the business world? You're right that quite a bit of that has turned into instant messaging as well, ie I text my boss instead of sending them mail but it definitely feels like that's going away a lot slower if not expanding permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Email is a must for between businesses. Having said that, lots of internal communication is findingther channels, like Teams, Slack, and so on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] fishpen0@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 19 points 1 year ago Any business2business or consumer2business communication will likely still happen over email for a very long time permalink fedilink source parent [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago email is starting to disappear The fuck it is lol, do you have any idea how much email is used in literally everything? How old are you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scratchee@feddit.uk 71 points 1 year ago (1 child) Email isn’t going anywhere. It’s the ipv4 of communication. You can list 100 things bad about it and none of it matters, too many things are now built on top of it, no competitor can possibly have a chance without first reimplementing email, and then they’re just adding extensions which everyone else ignores, and email continues. The more plausible threat to email is that it gets siloed into the top 5 or 6 providers and everyone else gets filtered out as spam (ie you need gmail, hotmail, etc or your emails will never reach anyone) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Scrollone@feddit.it 12 points 1 year ago The big providers problem is already true, but DMARC and DKIM mitigated that problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 12 points 1 year ago The big providers problem is already true, but DMARC and DKIM mitigated that problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1984@lemmy.today 47 points 1 year ago (3 children) No its never going to disappear. If you are referring to people using slack and chat apps, those are locked in walled gardens where your messages cant ever leave. Email can be moved anywhere easily. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) On top of that, people still use email to sign up for these gardens. Technically, you could use your phone number too. I wonder how far could you take this idea of living completely without email. Job applications, and several other sign ins still depend on email, so that’s going to be a bit of a hitch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fishpen0@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 4 points 1 year ago Oh, that’s a very good point! Makes you look at this proposal in a completely different way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 17 points 1 year ago (2 children) On top of that, people still use email to sign up for these gardens. Technically, you could use your phone number too. I wonder how far could you take this idea of living completely without email. Job applications, and several other sign ins still depend on email, so that’s going to be a bit of a hitch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fishpen0@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 4 points 1 year ago Oh, that’s a very good point! Makes you look at this proposal in a completely different way. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] fishpen0@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 4 points 1 year ago Oh, that’s a very good point! Makes you look at this proposal in a completely different way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 4 points 1 year ago Oh, that’s a very good point! Makes you look at this proposal in a completely different way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 year ago Email won't disappear sooner or later. It's a huge part of communication between companies, nonprofit, state, etc. It may be less between people or with consumers. But, it still is widely use otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (5 children) I'm curious, not bashing. What signs have you seen that lead you to believe email is dying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] 0x0@programming.dev -15 points 1 year ago (4 children) It's insecure by default and Kids These Days™ prefer messaging apps, which have boomed in the last decade. Time will tell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago So... Exactly how it was 20 years ago. Kids Those Days used AIM and Yahoo Messenger instead of slack and discord. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) What do you make of the use of email in the business world? You're right that quite a bit of that has turned into instant messaging as well, ie I text my boss instead of sending them mail but it definitely feels like that's going away a lot slower if not expanding permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Email is a must for between businesses. Having said that, lots of internal communication is findingther channels, like Teams, Slack, and so on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] fishpen0@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] 0x0@programming.dev -15 points 1 year ago (4 children) It's insecure by default and Kids These Days™ prefer messaging apps, which have boomed in the last decade. Time will tell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago So... Exactly how it was 20 years ago. Kids Those Days used AIM and Yahoo Messenger instead of slack and discord. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) What do you make of the use of email in the business world? You're right that quite a bit of that has turned into instant messaging as well, ie I text my boss instead of sending them mail but it definitely feels like that's going away a lot slower if not expanding permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Email is a must for between businesses. Having said that, lots of internal communication is findingther channels, like Teams, Slack, and so on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] fishpen0@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago So... Exactly how it was 20 years ago. Kids Those Days used AIM and Yahoo Messenger instead of slack and discord. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) What do you make of the use of email in the business world? You're right that quite a bit of that has turned into instant messaging as well, ie I text my boss instead of sending them mail but it definitely feels like that's going away a lot slower if not expanding permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Email is a must for between businesses. Having said that, lots of internal communication is findingther channels, like Teams, Slack, and so on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] fishpen0@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Email is a must for between businesses. Having said that, lots of internal communication is findingther channels, like Teams, Slack, and so on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] fishpen0@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 19 points 1 year ago Any business2business or consumer2business communication will likely still happen over email for a very long time permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago email is starting to disappear The fuck it is lol, do you have any idea how much email is used in literally everything? How old are you? permalink fedilink source parent