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Canada PM Mark Carney says old relationship with US 'is over' (www.bbc.com)
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[–] 151 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Decades of history burned by one asshole.

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  • [–] 129 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    ...and also thousands of enablers in every branch of government, every boardroom, and every newsroom.

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  • [–] 98 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't forget the millions of voters as well

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is the important part.

    The whole world suffered trump's first term as a sort of scam that many confused, struggling Americans fell for.

    But then y'all go and do it a second time? Fuck you.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And millions who didn't vote for him but also didn't protest his actions.

    Imagine how Canadians may feel upon seeing their "friends" go along with Trump's actions.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Congrats to all the American leftists who refused to vote against trump because they convinced themselves both sides were the same

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    to all the American leftists useless idiots who refused to vote against trump

    FTFY. Voting against trumpy was the easiest decision for anybody who opposes fascism.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    From Europe, I see the republicans as a stick and the democrats as a carrot.
    You are angry because people refused to vote against the stick, and I understand why, it makes sense.
    At the same time, it's easy to understand that there are people against the carrot&stick system, and I wouldn't consider them useless idiots for not voting for the carrot.
    Also, the carrot is fucking stale.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I consider enabling the "stick" to be beat the fuck out of you just because you're "not into carrots" to be objectively stupid. I'm a Euro transplant and I can't see how it is less stupid from a European perspective. The saddest part is that my wife and I have recession-proof professions, people who got us into this situation don't.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Every time you consider that not holding your opinion is "objectively stupid" you should stop a moment to reflect what those words mean.
    Your subjective opinion is that the democrats are the only viable alternative to Trump and so everyone must support them because the alternative is worse.
    It is a valid opinion, but it is not by far an objective truth.
    Another subjective opinion is that the entire bipartisan system is a single entity focused on maintaining the status quo, and that real change is not possible by voting democrat (or even by voting at all).
    It is objectively true that any effort towards strengthening the democrats is not spent elsewhere, and it is also an objective truth that there have been multiple democrat presidents in the last few decades and have been unable or unwilling to effect change to a degree that satisfies leftist voters.
    My European perspective is that defending corporate right as an alternative to fascism is an acceptable emergency measure while there are big credible efforts for large scale reforms to at least have a real left voting option, but it's not by far a solution to the problem.
    Maybe instead of calling "useless idiots" all those who didn't vote for trump, your energy might be better spent trying to build a common platform with them, at least if you want them to vote on the next election.
    And if you want that common platform to be the democrats, they will have to change a lot.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    Every time you consider that not holding your opinion is “objectively stupid” you should stop a moment to reflect what those words mean.

    Thanks, but I'm past elementary school and not here to explain the difference between calling out a direct opposition between stated goals and actual actions, vs "my opinion is the only objective truth".

    Your whole post is incredibly naive.

    My European perspective is that defending corporate right as an alternative to fascism is an acceptable emergency measure while there are big credible efforts for large scale reforms to at least have a real left voting option, but it’s not by far a solution to the problem. And if you want that common platform to be the democrats, they will have to change a lot.

    Like centuries of bipartisanism will be magically turned into a Euro-style multiparty coalition system in 3.8 years.

    It's just fucking absurd that people can be beat up and tortured physically and psychologically but I'm being asked to be less mean because it will hurt feewings.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The good news, if you can call it good news, is that Trump and co are so evil, and incompetent, that it's waking people up to the awful system they live under.

    Harris and The Democrats would've been able to continue with business as usual and nothing would change. At least now there's some hope of a left surge in the wake of all this right wing hatred, pain, and suffering

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Some surge? Maybe?

    Any reasonable amount that will make a damned but if difference? Yeah no it won't. People never learn. Even when they suffer under something they will claim it happened because of that thing over there. People won't change.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Kamala wouldn't have won if she got the entire 3rd party vote

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This is the worst part (for US), it tooks them decades to build a solid and trusted relationship with the western world, and within 3 month, all of that is gone.

    It's not Canada or Denmark which will suffer the most from-it, but US themselves

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I hope you're right about who suffers the most, we deserve it, and I hope the rest of the world prospers while we languish in our just desserts.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    It's not Canada or Denmark which will suffer the most from-it, but US themselves

    I get what you are saying but at the same time as a Canadian that comes across as more American-centric myopia.

    We are a small country in terms of people with only nominally more people than the state of California spread out over a landmass 1.6% larger than the US. Our energy infrastructure doesn't fully connect through our own country and due to American strong arming a lot of our manufacturing industry is not super robust. It's the Goose next to the Eagle. We're tough enough to defend ourselves and make it hurt to attack us but we aren't getting anything out of this fight. For us it's a fight for our lives not a fight we can profit off of. Whatever wounds we take in this fight will soften us up for the regular problems we fight. The forest fires that have become exponentially worse through climate change that have erased entire cities off our map. The healthcare crisis of a mass of retiring boomers needing more care in a system that has constantly under fire from Americanizing rhetoric that has caused disinvestment from an ethically better system. The protectionist rhetoric that comes with conflict which will erode the systems of government and create legal precedent for more autocratic means of operation that will need to be later undone. The pausing of reconciliation efforts with indigenous nations. This conflict, even as it is now, will cause real trackable losses of life and livelihood some of which will not come back.

    Our existence and future as a sovereign nation is threatened but nope "The US will be the real victims of this"? Bloody fucking tonedeaf mate.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    To be fair, it really started in 2015 when trump started his first run. His first term definitely brought attention to the rest of the world to ask if we were really this stupid. A second term is just a confirmation.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh, he’s started on the Smithsonian so it’s going to be centuries.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh god fucking damnit seriously? He’s hollowing out the fucking Smithsonian? Jesus tapdancing christ.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He who controls the past. Controls the future.

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