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what are they bombing yemen for? (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[–] -4 points 2 years ago (16 children)

First of all, that comparison is bullshit and you know it. The Houthis are purposefully attacking American citizens abroad.

Second of all, I disagree that destroying their capabilities to attack would accomplish nothing and I have no sympathy for genocidal, rape happy slaver terrorists, so you aren't tugging on my heartstrings by talking about carpet bombings.

Thirdly, as I mentioned, they're genocidal slaver terrorists. So I do not trust them.

Fourth, this is why any politician supported by Lemmy is obviously going to fail. You have no conception of what normal people think is acceptable. For example: the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think, "We should give these people what they want."

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Explain to me how Israel blowing up a food aid convoy is different then the houthis attacking merchant ships.

    oh but that was an accident, they didn't know the truck with there logo that reported there location to the idf was an aid truck. That's not there stated policy to blow up aid trucks.

    Israel has implemented a full blockade of Gaza since the ceasefire ended. So if an American tried to drive an aid truck across the Gaza border, Israel would blow it up. That's currently just a threat, and they haven't done that, but the houthis haven't attacked a ship since the ceasefire, they only threatened to which is what prompted this strike.

    Are all Yemeni rape happy slavery terrorists? Because these bombings are pretty indiscriminate, a majority of the people are civilians. This latest strike was on an apartment building, not some secret houthi military base. They killed a couple terrorist leaders that will be easily replaced, while killing substantially more civilians.

    the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think "we should give these people what they want"

    All of those descriptors except for the slavery one apply to israel and half of Americans give them unequivocal support.

    This isn't just giving them what they want, the large majority of the world wants a ceasefire in gaza, look at the UN votes. If everyone in the world supports reducing pollution you don't turn that around and say north Korea and the taliban want to reduce pollution, and we can't let them get anything they want so we should pollute more. That's the height of reactionary, oppositional politics that destroys any progress and solidarity.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Israel didn't purposefully attack Americans because they are Americans. It's not much, but it's a difference.

    All of those descriptors except for the slavery one apply to israel and half of Americans give them unequivocal support. And? That doesn't dispute anything I said.

    First of all, the UN would gladly vote Israel out of existence. Second of all, I do not necessarily oppose a ceasefire. My point was that letting the Houthis get away with attacking us is stupid and, more importantly, politically indefensible.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    They aren't attacking the ships because they're American, they are attacking any ship that passes through there, it's not like Chinese ships get a pass because they're not arming Israel. They are instituting a blockade, the same as Israel is doing in gaza, if anyone crosses there line, regardless of nationality, they will shoot.

    letting the houthis get away with attacking us is stupid and, more importantly, politically indefensible.

    And bombing an apartment building, when again they haven't attacked us since the ceasefire, is morally indefensible. This wasn't the houthis decapitating and American on video and every major outlet covering it. This was all in response to a threat, the same threat that Israel has for anyone trying to get food in to Gaza. If you asked your average American what have the houthis done lately they'd respond "nothing i know of" and they'd be right. No one was asking for this strike except for the brain dead fox News audience who think everyone in the middle east is a terrorist.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    If anything that's worse. And it is not, in fact, part of any international obligation with regards to genocide.

    So, they've attacked us in the past, they've promised to attack us again, they're pretty much the worst people alive and you think leaving them to make good on their threats is a vote winnter?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (11 children)

    They've attacked us in the past, they've promised to attack us again applies to a lot of countries. If we bombed all of them we'd be embroiled in countless wars across multiple continents with no exit strategy and no real objective besides revenge. Do you think multiple forever wars is a vote winner?

    Let's switch from Israel, even though your description applies to them, and look at one of our traditional enemies, the taliban. Do you think a majority of Americans would be for bombing apartment buildings in Afghanistan again because of a threat? No, because they've seen this play out before and it doesn't end well.

    How would you justify leaving Afghanistan in the first place with this logic? The taliban still exist, and still threaten us and have killed a lot more then the houthis. Was finally leaving them alone a vote loser, or was it the stated policy of the last two winning presidential campaigns?

    Ask your average American who was killed by the houthis, Iran etc. And they wouldn't know. If these were the ultra patriotic people dead set on avenging their honor and voting out any politician trying to stop them, the names of those martyrs would be on everyone's tongue. If you ask a Palestinian or Israeli who the other side has killed they'd rattle off a dozen names and go on a tirade of how evil the other side is, that is a people who want war. Americans don't really care about the houthis and dont really want war.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (10 children)

    Your comparison is wrong because we aren't occupying Yemen.

    The average person does not want us to bow and scrape before terrorists.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (9 children)

    The average person doesn't care about this. Show me an article outside of fox News calling for this strike. Show me a viral social media post calling for whoever this guy was to be killed. Show me a protest calling for harsh treatment of terrorists. Show me people cheering for the justice this strike has brought after the fact.

    Hell, Show me a post you made before this complaining about the houthis and how America needs to act.

    No one was asking for this, and no one would've noticed if we didn't do it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (8 children)

    Show me five people who support your position that have won elections in the United States.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (7 children)

    My position of not bombing the houthis after they made a threat? No one has explicitly made that stance, but outside of the chud group chat no one was calling for this strike either. Because nobody cares, so we can assume they would be fine with letting the threat go and focusing on other things. If they weren't fine with "letting the terrorist get away with it" they wouldve said so.

    If your asking about non-interventionism in general that's a common belief most left leaning politicians have that aren't captured by the military industrial complex. Bernie sanders supports limiting our drone program.

    “What you can argue is that there are times and places where drone attacks have been effective,” he added.

    “There are times and places where they have been absolutely counter-effective and have caused more problems than they have solved. When you kill innocent people, what the end result is that people in the region become anti-American who otherwise would not have been.”

    I don't think he would approve of bombing an apartment complex to kill a couple houthis. But who cares what he says, he's just one of the most popular democrats out there right now and leading rallies with 10s of thousands of people in attendance.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

    Bernie Sanders does not support the Houthis.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (5 children)

    Ffs, did you read my comment, I never said Bernie supported the houthis, I said he's against bombing an apartment building to kill one houthi. I don't support the houthis, I wish another group was in power in Yemen, but bombing them, as Saudi Arabia has shown, won't lead to that and just further entrenches them.

    If you want to get rid of the houthis, leave them alone. Let there shitty government collapse under the weight of its incompetency, corruption and unpopularity. Let the people focus on how shitty they are instead of letting them point to the US and Israel and how many muslims we've killed and recruit even more people to fight the west.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    You don't support the Houthis, but you assert they're doing the right thing by attacking international shipping to spite Israel, don't think we should do anything to stop them and that we should let them get away with attacking us.

    Right.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    Wtf kind of George Bush "you're with us or against us" logic is this. Just because you don't support BOMBING APARTMENT BUILDINGS to kill one person doesn't mean you support there cause. Do you support Israel and there genocide because you don't want to bomb the knesset to try and stop it? Are all the people calling for a ceasefire hamas supporters because they don't want to do everything it takes to destroy hamas after Oct 7th?

    I never said they're doing the right thing by attacking international shipping, I think they should be more targeted and only go after Israeli arms shipments, but should let neutral countries pass.

    I do think we should do something to stop them, by stopping arms shipments to israel and pushing them towards a ceasefire. You don't seem to support anything to stop them, because again these bombings don't stop them. The houthis stopped attacking ships during the ceasefire, they didn't stop attacking them after we bombed them multiple times, one method has been shown to work, while the other has been shown to only help arms sales and houthi recruitment.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Well you did just say you support the Houthis attacking Israelis, so you are rather proving my point.

    They haven't fired any rockets since the last bombing.

    The Houthis are murderous terrorist slavers. I do not trust them. I do not care what they want. I want them dead. I may not support Israel's war effort, but that does not justify the Houthis attacking us. They have chosen to make themselves the enemies of America and I expect them to be treated as such.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    They haven’t fired any rockets since the last bombing.

    They did a drone strike on tel Aviv and a us warship three days ago, again bombing isn't going to stop them from attacking us. This just leads to Yemeni rallying around the flag against the west. If you hate the houthis as much as you say you do you should be against killing civilians, that only fuels there movement.

    You seem to view the houthis as a small group of bad guys and once you kill all of them they'll be gone. They aren't, they're a movement against the west, and bombings by the west that kill civilians only help that movement.

    If you want the houthis to stop attacking us, make Israel stop bombing gaza, it's the only way that has worked. If you want the houthis to cease to exist, stop bombing civilians in Yemen. Saudi Arabia tried your strategy of bombing the houthis for 2 years and it didn't work, why do you think it'll work now?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    You keep insisting that you're not on their side, but you do insist we more or less are morally obligated to let them try to kill us without responding.

    Furthermore, you demonstrate a clear double standard in your argument. If the only logical response to being bombed by the West is to attack Westerners, then doesn't it stand to reason that the logical response to being attacked by the Houthis is to attack the Houthis? It's the same as the arguments defending Hamas. You treat the Arabs as if they're too stupid to try diplomacy while arguing we are morally obligated to endure being attacked by them.

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