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[–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

He persecuted socialists (basically the first people sent to concentration camps) and had capitalist policies? Any reason to suggest he was fond of Marx?

But Mr (assumed) "proletarians_must_suffer" probably thinks that "socialism is when the state does stuff".

Go bother someone else in some ancap forum, where you belong.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He persecuted socialists

    Are bolsheviks socialist? Bc they also persecuted socialists, communists, anarchists, etc, etc.

    and had capitalist policies

    He literally limited the profitability of companies to 6%.

    Any reason to suggest he was fond of Marx?

    He's non-marxist socialist. Not all socialist are Marxists. Btw, fascists are Marxists. They're what you call "revisionists".

    Go bother someone else in some ancap forum, where you belong.

    I'm not an ancap.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Are bolsheviks socialist?

    No. They were state-capitalists.

    He literally limited the profitability of companies to 6%.

    You agree that companies made profits. That's a capitalist policy.

    He’s non-marxist socialist. Not all socialist are Marxists.

    I didn't say whether or not he was a Marxist. All socialists apply Marxist analysis at least partially. Even Bakunin agreed with Marx's theory.

    Btw, fascists are Marxists.

    🤡

    I’m not an ancap.

    You're enough of an ancap for me to care how you define yourself. You've proven enough how little of political/historical understanding you have.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No. They were state-capitalists.

    Ok.

    You agree that companies made profits. That’s a capitalist policy.

    Considering what was before, it was a gradual step towards socialism. Nazi Germany existed for like 30 years. Not everything can be implemented immediately.

    All socialists apply Marxist analysis at least partially

    Uhuh. Is Charles Fourier socialist?

    You’re enough of an ancap

    What is that even supposed to mean?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Considering what was before, it was a gradual step towards socialism. Nazi Germany existed for like 30 years.

    Ah, yes. And Hitler clearly stated that he was a socialist... somewhere. You have to read between the lines of "Mein Kampf", where he clearly states that he's right wing. And all the companies who profited immensly from all that slave labour where juuuust about to be socialised. /s

    Uhuh. Is Charles Fourier socialist?

    Got any proper points, or are you just gonna "umm actually" me to death?

    What is that even supposed to mean?

    You're a weirdo who deserves to be ridiculed for having such a stupid worldview.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ah, yes. And Hitler clearly stated that he was a socialist… somewhere

    I didn't say it. Although he did.

    You have to read between the lines of “Mein Kampf”, where he clearly states that he’s right wing.

    Where?

    Btw are bolsheviks communists? Bc they clearly stated they are. No need to even read between the lines.

    And all the companies who profited immensly from all that slave labour

    And what's the relation between capitalism and slavery?

    Got any proper points, or are you just gonna “umm actually” me to death?

    The point is that socialists can be socialists without applying Marx works in any way.

    You’re a weirdo who deserves to be ridiculed for having such a stupid worldview

    What worldview? What is my worldview?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I didn’t say it. Although he did.

    Where? Here, maybe, where he ridicules the people who think the Nazis were socialists?

    Wie oft haben wir uns geschüttelt vor Lachen über diese einfältigen bürgerlichen Angsthasen, angesichts des geistvollen Rätselratens über unsere Herkunft, unsere Absichten und unser Ziel. Wir haben die rote Farbe unserer Plakate nach genauem und gründlichem Überlegen gewählt, um dadurch die linke Seite zu reizen, zur Empörung zu bringen und sie zu verleiten, in unsere Versammlungen zu kommen, wenn auch nur, um sie zu sprengen, damit wir auf diese Weise überhaupt mit den Leuten reden konnten.

    Where?

    In this chapter, for example

    Btw are bolsheviks communists? Bc they clearly stated they are. No need to even read between the lines.

    They stated that as their goal. The Nazis stated a Reich enuring 1000 years as their goal. Did those succeed?

    And what’s the relation between capitalism and slavery?

    They're compatible.

    The point is that socialists can be socialists without applying Marx works in any way.

    Name one socialist that came after Marx that doesn't agree with him in some manner or the other.

    What worldview? What is my worldview?

    Please, enlighten me. I could do with a bit of absurd fantasy worldbuilding.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Where?

    In some interview or article, I believe.

    They stated that as their goal. The Nazis stated a Reich enuring 1000 years as their goal. Did those succeed?

    So unless someone achieves communism, they're not a communist? Btw, since 3rd Reich didn't follow all nazi tenants and didn't achieve all nazi goals, maybe they weren't nazis?

    Name one socialist that came after Marx that doesn’t agree with him in some manner or the other

    Hitler

    Sorry, but you've set up this perfect punchline yourself.

    Please, enlighten me

    Oh, so you don't know what my views are, but have already concluded they're absurd. Well, jokes on you, I'm an anarcho communist (no)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    In some interview or article, I believe.

    Sure you didn't read that in a dream?

    So unless someone achieves communism, they’re not a communist?

    Why did you ask whether or not the bolsheviki were communists, exactly?

    Hitler

    Circular logic as an "argument", then. Gotcha.

    Oh, so you don’t know what my views are, but have already concluded they’re absurd.

    You've given enough hints (you consider yourself far right than call the Nazis far left), so I took a guess. I was open to reach another conclusion...

    I’m an anarcho communist (no)

    ... But clearly, you're afraid of further ridicule.

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