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[–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Much more like we would love to help with these leftist plans, but when the people asking for them storm off in a huff if they don't get promised a day 1 soviet utopia they're seen as entirely unreliable. When the 'left' run off because 'you blue maga are no better than fascists' how is anyone meant to even try and help them?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So better to go court the racists right? Because the plan of setting up concentration camps is so concrete and easy to achieve.

    But now, let's just talk about how disingenuous this argument is. Most leftists aren't asking for the world and most of the the leftist demands can boil down to "Give use social programs, pay for it by taxing rich assholes". Most leftists aren't asking for a communist utopia and plenty of leftists are also anarchists.

    Yet all we hear from centrists is "Oh, it's just so pie in the sky, It'll never work. We couldn't begin to work on this!" All because they don't even want to acknowledge "tax the rich" or "expand workers rights" for fear they'll scare off a donor or two.

    I would accept pretty much ANY social program being pushed by dems paid by taxes. One that is absurdly popular is single payer healthcare and it's real easy to achieve because we already have these programs in the form of medicaid and medicare. Making the program literally is just expanding the programs to everyone. You could even phase it in over years, much like SS is slowly being phased out.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There's bo courting of bigots, and no want to engage with them. Every notable push for progressive policies has come from the dem side, shocking ad that may be for those watching from the fringes. The nearest we've been able to manage so far is the ACA which started out with more substance but you can't exactly upend the whole system in one go.

    This last time around even if a day one rewrite was ready to go people where so hell bent on 'punishing dems' for Isreal's actions that they where willing to let the current show take over and make things far worse.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    There’s bo courting of bigots, and no want to engage with them.

    Then why did Kamala spend her entire campaign with Liz Cheney? Why is Gavin Newsom currently inviting self avowed white supremacists onto his podcast to agree with them? Why is it that most Democrats have abandoned the notion of humane borders and instead they are pushing for strong criminalization and empowering ICE? Why did a significant number of centrist Dems support the Lincoln Riley act which prioritized deporting people ACCUSED (not convicted) of crimes?

    That's courting bigots.

    Every notable push for progressive policies has come from the dem side, shocking ad that may be for those watching from the fringes.

    Because progressives are part of the democrat caucus, not because centrists are actually secretly progressive.

    The nearest we’ve been able to manage so far is the ACA which started out with more substance but you can’t exactly upend the whole system in one go.

    And why didn't the ACA go further? Hint, it wasn't because progressives in the dem caucus fought against it.

    But further, the ACA was by and large a bad bill. It was based on Heritage foundation principles and it's ended exactly how you'd think an arch conservative thinktank bill would end. The good part of the ACA, patient protection, wasn't the major portion of it. The major portion of it was a sweat gift to insurance companies by trying to force people to buy health insurance and a sweat gift to hospitals by making it easier for them to merge. Ever wonder why it is that all hospitals are now basically catholic hospitals? That was part of the ACA that reduced restrictions on mergers under the auspices of making things cheaper.

    The only other semi-progressive thing was Medicaid expansion, and even that was passed as an "opt-in" rather than just a mandatory requirement. Which, many states didn't opt into and now states like my own are currently passing laws to undo ballot initiatives that opted in.

    The ACA was as neutered and whittled back as it was precisely to try and appease both centrist dems and republicans. Obama worked hard to try and get republicans onboard with the bill and made huge amounts of compromises that ultimately didn't get any of them signing on.

    ‘punishing dems’ for Isreal’s actions

    No, it was punishing dems for dems actions. Where did Israel get most of it's munitions? Did any of the centrist Dems try and slow the roll of sending US military aid? Did Biden or anyone in his admin even HINT at condemnation of ANY of Israel's actions?

    And why not? Because they were actively courting bigots who view Palestinians as subhumans and terrorists that deserve genocide.

    But yeah, obviously it's progressives that are being unreasonable and pie in the sky. Fuck us not wanting to support genocide, the gestopo, or for wanting affordable healthcare.

    Since Bill Clinton, the playbook of dems has been to run to the right while blaming election losses on progressive.

    And, crazy as it sounds, I'll give it to you. Biden was one of the most progressive Dem presidents in probably 50 years. Yet when it came to campaigning, both he and Kamala ran from every single progressive position of their administration. Even to the point of talking about firing appointees that "went to far" such as Lina Khan. Even though she was wildly popular with both Dems and Republicans, just not big business.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah allowing even a single Palestinian speaker at the DNC, with vetted speech, and a promised endorsement of Kamala is really a lot to ask, what were those tankies thinking? Even the smallest step in the direction workers rights or not doing genocide was one too many for the Kamala campaign. The democrats rightly lost by pandering to billionaires and oligarchs rather than courting voters.

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