FINAL UPDATE
@bdonvr, admin of The Lemmy Club has, in my opinion, responded in good faith to the concerns raised in this post, and so I have withdrawn my proposal for defederation. In summary:
- They will no longer be allowing conservative/right wing communities on their instance
- A couple of accounts were banned ( marathon and Bernard )
- "realcaseyrollins decided to voluntarily close /c/news@thelemmy.club, /c/censorshipnews@thelemmy.club, and /c/opeds@thelemmy.club."
Personally, I think this is just about the ideal outcome, and I hope this will convince folks to give The Lemmy Club another chance.
The Lemmy Club is currently suffering from "The Nazi Bar" problem. All of their top communities are run by three right-wingers as illustrated below.
The Lemmy Club instance admin doesn't seem to want to ban them, for the reasons mentioned below:
This vote is on whether or not we should defederate from this instance until they address their Nazi Bar problem.
Upvote = for defederation. Downvote = against defederation.
Edit: As others have mentioned, happy to treat this a only a temporary measure until the problem is resolved.
Edit 2: The Lemmy Club admin has said they will implement a rule against right wing communities, and has taken action on some problematic posts and users (see original comments below).
I'm willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to the admin here, as they have responded in good faith:
If you implement those changes then I’d be willing to withdraw the defederation proposal and consider the problem resolved.
Unpopular opinion, hate speech is an unfortunate but necessary part of free speech that should be defended, and regulated, in the name of free speech. Yes this can include anti semitism, Islamophobia, racism, and sexism but it also includes ability to freely criticize political groups, religions, corporations, the rich, the powerful, and lets people speak their minds without worrying about unjust retribution.
In this spirit, I say let the communities stay but keep the politically charged users from admin positions.
I feel like reddit really went to shit when free speech came under attack by aggressive Trumpers and reactionary Liberals and it escalated so much. Like I’ve gotten banned for playing devil’s advocate and politely going against the crowd just to spur smarter discussions. Censoring groups for opinions is a slippery slope that promotes anti intellectualism. Now people can’t even talk about Luigi.
Sure the Nazi bar problem is a problem but it’s also like, would you rather them drink where you can see them and call them out or not? They’re going to exist whether you like them or not and they won in America because they own almost all the media but like, you’re lib leaning, follow the damn art of war and learn to control, not just ban your enemy. Banning them creates more problems than it solves and just incites them to do it back however they can. It’s Karma.
Que? You can run all you want they will still be around. You gotta bully them or they will only come back like a mint plant. Banning isn’t bullying, it’s a half measure that shields cowards and angers victims which creates more problems than it solves.
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