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"In order for me to write poetry that isn't political, I must listen to the birds, and in order to hear the birds, the warplanes must be silent." -Marwan Makhoul
@Zzyzx
I'm so disgusted by hypocrisy of all the blue MAGAts so disgustingly silent about Trump bombings of Yemen and massacre in Gaza
These hypocrites were so loud about tariffs against Canada and Mexico
They don't care about things that do not impact them, or people near them.
It has been clearly demonstrated that vocal opposition to one of those things gets you disappeared by ICE
How many American citizens have been disappeared by ICE?
Saying that the right to protest is exclusive to citizens is certainly an... interesting stance...
But looking just at citizens: ICE has already harassed and arrested scores of citizens based on racial profiling. The agency deported as many as 70 citizens during Trump's first term.
There have been allegations of more US citizen deportations in these first 3 months of his presidency. I can dredge up those examples if you'd like, but don't have them readily on hand.
What does "70 potential U.S. citizens" mean? Were they U.S. citizens or not?
I'm not saying the right to protest is exclusive to citizens, I am saying the excuse of potentially being disappeared by ICE does not apply to the vast majority of people.
It's like 6 sentences in.
We've already narrowed that vast majority down quite a bit, I would bet anything that a visa (much less a green card) holder wouldn't face this much retaliation in October 2023.
There are about 50 million foreign-born residents in America, so in 3 months this administration has frozen the political voice of ~15% of the population.
They make up ~20% of the working age population, so if you're someone in the get-out-and-protest demographic that gives you decent odds of it theoretically not ending poorly. I guess you could say that's a vast majority, but it was nearly 100% before.
We're on pace for 50% suppression by the end of the year (20% silenced in a single quarter) and punishment will certainly be retroactive. You can understand the dilemma of 50/50 future odds you end up in jail for exercising your constitutional rights.
What do you mean by foreign-born residents? Plenty of Americans are "foreign-born residents"
How do you figure 50% suppression by the end of the year?
People with Visas, permanent residents and immigrants. The administration's argument for the arrest of Mahmoud Khalil explicitly states that his residency rights are void since "we didn't know he was a Terrorist at the time". You can extend that argument to literally any foreign born individual.
50% is napkin projection based on 20% suppression every three months (0.80^3^). Obviously it makes a lot of assumptions but the crackdowns haven't slowed yet, much less plateaued. I mentioned it to show how tenuous opposition can get even for "safe" demographics.
The administration is already posturing for this suppression: labeling vague groups like antifa as terrorists, threatening funding for universities fostering protests, statements about "illegal protests", invoking the Alien Enemies Act, etc... It's not a huge leap to extrapolate to how sweeping these measures will be.
I’m trying to tell you many “foreign born residents” are actually US citizens.
Besides, your assumption is very hypothetical and not rooted in reality.
Unfortunately an H1(B) visa is not citizenship. It's temporary residency that IS revocable. @alkbch @stickly
I understand, I'm trying to communicate how that isn't as big of a protection as it seems.
The very same Alien Enemies Act sent US citizens of Japanese decent to interment camps. That's not a hypothetical, it's a line that has already been crossed.
Apparently they were sent to internment camps using other temporary powers enacted during the war, not that precise one.
Those powers derive from the act, it gives that wartime authority. If you read the official proclamation Trump invented a "war" on gangs to use the same powers.
You can read Roosevelt's proclamation here, it's basically the same document shifted around to target Venezuelans.
We had d3clared war on japan before the internments. We aren't in a declared war with Hamas or Palestine @alkbch There are no 'palestinian enemy aliens', but there IS a US code about foreigners on visa OR US CITIZENS interfering with or attempting to do their own diplomacy with other nations. Somewhere down my tl I posted info on that.
@stickly
Zero.
I'm kinda still salty about letting agent orange back in the wh but what would you like me to do? I'm not really that knowledgeable on the subject so it's kinda difficult for me to form an argument other than, "let's not kill people." If that's your advise I'll give it a try. Again.
It affects them so you know what they will care and removed about.
They are even worse than maga bcs they're so disgustingly self absorbed and pretentious they think they are on the right side.
I really hope they get what they deserve.
Ukraine affects me as a fellow European.
I'm not on the right side, I just want my family to live in peace.
Tariffs don't matter. The energy crisis didn't matter. COVID restrictions didn't matter. Those are just economic struggles.
It's safety that matters most.
Israel has been expanding their territory over the past century, it has been well covered by the media every time there's stuff happening. I remember Israeli taking the home of a Palestine family and the Palestinians just had to leave. This was a few years prior to the Hamas shooting at a festival.
If governments weren't handling Ukraine situation, energy crisis, COVID, etc. Then nothing would be happening.
There's people on the street here in Belgium, mostly young people and people from middle Eastern descent.
There is nothing less safe than the US/NATO fueled paranoia and warmongering Russophobia.
And the spineless governments of EU aren't handling anything.
They do everything the US tells them to in the case of ex-ukraine or israel.
Nothing but vasals.
That they are sad now bcs their owner doesn't respect them while they've been such obedient little helpers will not change anything.
All it is is embarrassing.
People fail to see Europe's place in the food chain, our media certainly won't admit this.
And neither will they admit the consequences.
What they, and you as a result from their BS reporting, mislabel as 'energy crisis' is a direct result from sanctions and the pure US terrorist act of blowing up Nordstream.
You better believe that matters.
It means we can't compete economically, companies are relocating and we will be in massive trouble.
And to make it worse they double down and decide to spend even more money we haven't got on US weapons.
Who do you think will have to pay for that?
And all it does is get ups a step closer to war and put a large part of the population in poverty.
And I mean poverty like never seen before.
Well maybe not never since the situation is exactly like the 1930's.
And it will have the same result.
Angry population voting for extreme right.
The last step before we're ready to be sent to the Ostfront again.
Sure, about 50, the rest of the apathetic youth is gazing at their phone.
We didn't invade Ukraine, Russia did.
We have quite a lot of money. We can definitely invest in defense, and we will.
Who organised the fascist coup?
Who started the ethnic cleansing of the Russian speaking population in the east and south?
No better than saying israel got attacked on oct 7 for no reason and nothing ever happened before.
O yes we have so much money we have to work longer, get our pensions stolen and much more just for fun.
Our industry is in a recession from those great sanctions.
55% of companies report they are losing jobs, and getting worse every day.
You really live in a fantasy world.
Organised what coup, zelenksyy won with 73% of the votes in 2019.
We have to work longer because our oldies stopped having children. That's just how it works. if you didn't spend your money on having a child, then use it for your pension.
Our stoxx 600 has been doing well lately.
Median net wealth of my country Belgium is 250k euros per adult.
i'm educated, have job security, it has never been this easy to do investments at low cost.
2023 and 2024 have been good years, stoxx 600 increased about 20 to 25% in value. The economic downturn was 2022.
In Belgium more and more people are getting jobs. Our employment rate keeps increasing.
https://tradingeconomics.com/belgium/employment-rate#%3A%7E%3Atext=Employment+Rate+in+Belgium+averaged%2Csource%3A+EUROSTAT
In 10 years it has increased from 62 to 67%
This is sadly how mainstream liberals have always behaved. I remember when all the anti-war folks seemed to disappear into thin air once Obama got elected. I guess extrajudicial drone strikes are cool when Democrats do it.