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[–] [email protected] 38 points 13 hours ago (16 children)

norway isnt socialist. they just excel at exporting capitalism's issues to the third world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (12 children)

In a democratic state, things like universal healthcare are also called "socialized medicine" because it is an example of the people owning the means of production in that particular industry.

That's why most countries are what we call "mixed economies", that mix elements of capitalism and socialism.

Norway mixes in a higher ratio of socialism to capitalism than most countries. But they don't export any more of capitalism's issues to the third world than other countries. It's something to emulate, not discredit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

No. "Socialized medicine" is not "people owning the means of production"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

It is in a democratic state. Who else do you think owns it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

How is democracy related to ownership?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty sure no one with universal healthcare calls it "socialized medicine". That's just a buzzword Americans use to scare each other.

It's not a means of producing anything other than health. Health is seen as a human right and it makes sense even in most western capitalist countries for it to be extended to everyone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm Canadian. It's what the founder of our healthcare system, Tommy Douglas, called it.

And yeah, it's the people owning the means of producing health. Socialist healthcare.

Americans scare people with these references to brutal authoritarian dictatorships that call themselves "socialist" but the real cause of all these problems is that they weren't democratic, not that they socialized industries.

Anyways, maybe it's just my autism making me literal as fuck, but I think you guys need to clear that up. This is what the people owning the means of production looks like. It's always going to be adjacent to capitalism, whether it's a socialist industry in a capitalist country, or a socialist country in a capitalist world.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Interesting, thanks for the Canadian history lesson Perhaps that's where the Americans got their weird terminology from.

you guys need to clear that up

Who needs to do what? I'm not sure what I said that somehow gave you the impression I was an American.

My society pays for universal free healthcare, like everywhere in the civilized world.

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