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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The reaction to Brexit in the rest of the EU - where almost from one month to the next people's support for the idea of leaving the EU crashed to less than half as much as shown in various polls at the time - gives me hope that what Trump is doing in America is actually crushing the chances of his ideology in the rest of the World.

This seems to already be happenning in Canada (we will know for sure once the result of their upcoming elections is out).

In summary, I think there is good reason to hope that the result in the rest of the World of the Fascist Far-Right taking over a high-profile country like the US will be either the crushing of the Far-Right or it very explicitly distancing itself from the kind of ideology espoused by Trump - in other words, that America, just like Britan with Brexit, is really and unwittingly taking one for the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As a pretty terrified American, I actually take some comfort in this idea. Please learn from us. I just hope if things get that far here, that the rest of you will have some empathy for those of us who did not want this. So many comments from people in other countries are blaming every American for this. Seeing so many of those comments (mostly on Reddit) has been the second scariest part of all of this for me. I'm used to being hated in the abstract for being an American, but to think that if the fascists here get their way people like me have no hope of escape is too much to think about

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

If there's any consolation, I personally support asylum for Americans escaping political persecution for my country, I just hope that our government will act quickly enough for it, and the right not getting in the way

I expect a lot of, especially queer, people trying to escape, and I really hope we get something in place before it's too late

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Welcome to our world. I remember the hate I had to put up with, just for being Serbian. Finally, someone else understands.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

As a white American, I was just talking about this relatively new experience to me, and not in any way meaning to co-opt or undermine other people's objectively worse experiences, by the way. Just wanted to throw that out there.

At the same time, while we might disparage Russia or China, to me that's always meant the government, not literally the people. I hate that I probably took for granted that at least most other people thought the same way I did.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Too many people often just handwave that civilians should die rebelling against their government if it is bad. It is never that simple, it is not as simple as they voted bad and didn't rebel, so we have an excuse to exterminate them all.

We should do the same as was done with Germany: trial those most responsible in Nuremberg, rehabilitate the rest. Germany turned out to be a wonderful, anti-nazi country, with hard workers that produced high-quality products. Imagine if they where just nuked instead?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 minutes ago

Germany is a really interesting example. When I'm trying to decide if I'm overreacting about what's happening now, I often tell myself a lot of Germans probably said the same thing in the 1930s. I've never assumed all Germans were Nazis, and always knew there was a large number, if not majority, who were victims of their own government. However, I remember my mother (born just after WWII and my grandpa fought in the Pacific) saying she grew up with a negative opinion of Germany.