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[–] 454 points 2 years ago (30 children)

DEI is bad! Treat everyone based on their merits! Remove the bio pages for anyone not white and male!

... ?

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  • [–] 214 points 2 years ago

    Diversity, equity, and inclusion get in the way of their nepotism and cronyism hiring. If they were hiring based on merit alone there would be no problem being transparent and publishing their hiring decisions.

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  • [–] 141 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (21 children)

    It’s been said better by other people but the general understanding of the right’s use of “DEI” is as a convenient blanket slur.

    It’s typically used against Black and Hispanic people the most, followed by trans people, but any/all women are convenient extra padding under the bus tires of their bigotry and insecurity.

    Remember that their fascism is based in feelings of superiority in addition to fear. Use that against the cowardly bastards. They can’t stand to see someone “undeserving” do as well as or better than them, so they try to mow it down.

    Fuck ‘em.

    EDIT: It seems like Rose Ferreira is of Hispanic descent, hailing initially from the Dominican Republic then moved to NY and eventually secured an internship at NASA, and is now an astronomer and aerospace engineer. It seems like her NASA page got reinstated, maybe after backlash. She’s awesome. Hell yeah for the Streisand effect.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Oh absolutely. Anyone who rails against "DEI" is by definition a white supremacist.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Not necessarily. They might be a misogynist, a militant christian or some other form of bigot as well. That's the beauty of it, you can be "against DEI" as well as a woman or someone with more melanin than the "default" and you get to imagine they don't hate you, just all those other people.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Just because you're not white doesn't mean you can't be a white supremacist.

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  • [+] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Careful now thats a nuanced opinion that doesn't stroke my victim complex or reductively imply anyone who disagrees with me on complex systemic social issues is a nazi supremacist.

    Prepare to be downvoted and hit with five paragraph essay replies picking apart everything you just said. You racist, mysoginistic, hateful, privileged, homophobic, transphobic, double checks progressive slurs & insults 101 field guide uhh third Reich bringing supremacist scum.

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  • [+] 33 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    I'd love to believe it.
    I can't find anything backing this up.
    The has become a wall of text. Sorry.

    1st half of this post is refuting "trump defined DEI". I would live to be proved wrong on this, but it seems like something that happened during trump and was defined by Biden.
    2nd half is more positive.

    1st half...

    Mostly sourced from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion incase the commas fuck up formatting).

    I don't know when DEI actually became the official term. Probably during the Biden administration .
    According to wiki, however, DEI has been around since the 60s, in principle.

    Executive Orders that first mention "equity" along side diversity and inclusion seems to be https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13583 an Obama EO.

    The best I can find relating to what you say is along the lines of this:
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-programs

    Basically, government bodies using their autonomy to enact DEI policies in response to #MeToo, #BlackLivesMatter, George Floyd, and lots of other public sentiment & unrest. However nothing official at the government level of "DEI".
    Essentially, trump was asleep at the wheel with COVID and civil unrest, did fuck all (or encouraged civil unrest), and government bodies (which still had autonomy) enacted policies inline with the population.

    So, what constitutes DEI?
    What the right is defining it as? What it has been since the 60s? What Biden enacted? What the government bodies enacted during sleepy trump?

    The 2nd half:

    Being against DEI is like being against Antifa, or declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation. It's not really a thing.
    DEI is the awareness that previous centuries of discrimination no longer applies.
    DEI isn't a tangible thing. It's humanity.
    It didn't happen during trump's first term. But it did progress.
    It didn't happen during Bidens term. But it did progress.
    That is humanity. Humanity progresses. Humanity is love, equality and freedom for all.

    And a bit more ideologically....

    Progress in the next 4 years is gonna be slow.
    But everyone has worked on this before. It's a hiatus. It will come back, and will be easier and more streamlined than before. Loads of people are backing up data, so it can be (relatively) easily restored. None of this has to be worked out again, nothing shared on the internet can truly die, ideas can't be killed.
    It's gonna be 4 years of shit.
    Hopefully Americans learn, and don't vote in more conservatives.
    ...
    ...
    Hopefully Americans get a chance to vote in another party.

    Edit: typo, equality not equity

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Nice.
    With the tongue in cheek context, I understand your comment more: DEI (as an idea & movement) blossomed under trumps first term, because of the bullshit he caused and the reaction of the public.
    The government had actual civil servants (as opposed to appointed oppressors or whatever), and reacted in a sensible way.

    But yeh, the damage being done to people is unimaginable. People's entire careers are being deleted from public records because they are a woman in STEM, or because they are the wrong colour, or because they don't fit Christians opinion of normal. It's fucked up

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Yeh, venting on the internet helps. And it's always great when you actually connect with someone.

    I always wish I'd learned a trade. Electrician, plumber or tiler. Get an apprenticeship, learn a trade, be a sole trader, do something physical that's always in demand.
    Plenty out there to do, and it's ok to mourn your last job (being a student/doctorate is a job).
    Connect with old friends and family. Meet some new people. Somebody will be looking for someone smart and compassionate

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    They can’t stand to see someone “undeserving” do as well as or better than them, so they try to mow it down.

    in australia and new zealand we have a concept called “tall poppy syndrome” (people who stand out from the crowd, who promote themselves excessively and publicly) and the reaction to that: “cutting down the tall poppy”. cutting down the tall poppy originally meant just bringing them back down to earth, but kinda morphed into simply criticising anyone that does well

    we tend to have a relatively strong egalitarian streak, and perhaps that change was tearing people down rather than distributing their success to equalise

    anyway, related: tearing down the tall poppy, ie pulling down anyone that stands out

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Remember that their fascism is based in feelings of superiority in addition to fear.

    Hi, it's me, I'm the "well akshuslly" guy today. Fascism (and the whole right-wing mindset) is based on fear, primarily fear that they, personally and individually, are interior. That's why they need the constant and over-the-top demonstrations of dominance and claims of superiority—to drown out those fears.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I appreciate where you’re coming from. I said it the way I did because for some, at least from my observation, there is a sick sadism to it rather than fear alone.

    Academic definitions would agree with you and it does hold true for the general populace; however I wanted to add the caveat so as not to mistakenly give the impression that fascists should be pitied, in any capacity.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Women and visible minorities are often given the absolute worst conditions for getting out of the shit cycle started by white dudes. This can mean that they don’t have great scores on tests and stuff and that can look like they are, by default, not as smart if you’re the kind of person whose brain is barely firing enough to allow you to breathe.

    So you extend that out and suddenly it’s “wait if they get hired at all and they’re not as smart that means they don’t deserve it!”. DEI does, I’m sure, bring some people in that might not be the best candidates but it never brings in people who are unqualified for the job like the racists believe, and the even the metric for “best” on paper is clouded by the aforementioned lack of support.

    They’re connected because these people believe that there’s no way a straight white male would ever lose to a minority or a woman despite the fact that most of the people who believe it are huge losers barely stumbling through life while ignoring the fact that they are supported by everyone else.

    I’m a straight, white dude whose parents can financially support me when I need it shit’s hard enough as-is. To act like I don’t have serious privilege and like so many people don’t have it even worse than me…god I can’t even fathom that level of self-centered egotism.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Man, why is it so common to find those people among the group that is so clearly privileged even compared to poor people that are otherwise exactly like them?

    I mean, I’m sure it’s because we fetishize hardship and idiots feel like they aren’t of value unless they’ve had some kind of major setback so having privilege makes them feel like they didn’t still earn whatever it was just because doing it didn’t come with a heap of other issues but fuck.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago*

    If someone hired someone provably less qualified that would be easy grounds for a discrimination lawsuit. The problem is actually usually the opposite. People from disadvantaged groups often have to work way harder and be way more qualified just to be treated equally in society.

    DEI isn't about who we hire and fire specifically but about how we as a society of institutions act overall. People in DEI might review the hiring and firing practices more holistically as one part of their job. Possibly focusing on recruiting practices including all communities (who are you advertising the job to?), job descriptions being simplified and more honest to what is actually required (broadening who qualifies), training hiring and firing authorities about unconscious bias, etc. That enables them to follow the eeoc laws and truly hire people that are most qualified while having a more representative candidate pool, resulting in a more representative group of employees. When you're correcting your hiring practices to be more equitable, you don't need to hire people less qualified.

    DEI would also be how they are treated once there, how the organization treats their staff in a fair and equitable manner. How current policies and processes can be changed to remove structural bias. How to best utilize a broad range of perspectives to improve your organization. For business often how you can include a broader range of targets to market to, etc. Analyzing the structure as a whole for institutional bias. That's all DEI.

    The right has perverted the concept of DEI to make people believe unqualified people are landing positions when that's not what DEI is even there for.

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