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Flag flown upside down as sign of distress outside of US State Department building today (lemmy.world)
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[–] 26 points 2 years ago (13 children)

I'm not going to argue with you, I get enough of that on reddit. But there is a literal mountain of evidence, including their own statements and sketchy behavior, hard data, unsecured voting machines, various voter suppression tactics, ballots that were tossed, code that was published online months (possibly more than a year) before the election, and one of the twerps currently taking over the treasury wrote code that can falsify ballots while he was an intern for Musk.

Also, it is like Hitler, they're using the same exact playbook, and while there are some key differences there is no arguing that this is the exact reason NATO exists. Justin Trudeau could invoke article 4 for threats of invasion. Someone from our government should still be able to invoke article 5. These international agreements exist because when the highest power in the nation is compromised, we need outside help.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I'm sorry, I'm Canadian, and what exactly do you think all of NATO could do, allied and organized against the American armed forces? Do you seriously believe we could stage an effective military campaign against America? That would he suicide.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    It's just so fucked up, all of it. They've been pumping shitloads of money into their military for so long, it's a behemoth larger than the military of the next, what, 9 countries combined? All that money should have been spent on things that are actually good for U.S. citizens. A better educational system, a healthcare system, more worker protections, a better social security net, trying to fix homelessness, etc.

    But now, their humongous military is going to be used against their own people and their allies. And all the while I'm here thinking that a well-educated, healthy, happy populace would have been much less inclined to vote a fascist into office. But hey, they didn't need all that, they were already the best country in the world, right?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The worst part is that we're rich enough as a country to have our obscene military spending and civilized healthcare and education, we just choose not to.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago*

    Using NATO to stop Trump, you want WW3? Because that's how you get WW3. You're not going to get any help until you help yourselfs. It's your house, you have to clean it up. If you need an idea of a place to start, I'd start with the Democrats.

    If you have democratic senators you should be a thorn in their side about why aren't they grinding the Senate to a halt. Why they aren't using every tool available to resist senate Republicans. The Republicans did when Obama was president and he wasn't a fascist. Now seems like a good time to start using all those republican cheats to blanket obstruct the Senate and Congress.

    If you have republican senators you should be getting involved with the democratic party, first screaming and dragging everyone you know with you. Then demanding over and over that the old game is dead and they need you and the people to get out of this.

    Regardless, no one is coming to save you. You need to first believe that you can actually work with your neighbors, then saves yourselves. Tons of Americans have been begging for your help to stop Trump for over a decade now and you thought it was just their job to take care of it. Well guess what, it was yours too and you failed to answer the call.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    This is literally the first I've heard of any of these things and whilst I'm not in North America I follow the political situation pretty closely. I'm not saying your wrong about any of it but who are the people saying this and where are they saying it? Has it been reported on either internally or externally to the US?

    The overall playbook is fascist I agree but the situation I was trying to compare was Hitler invading a sovereign nation. Trump hasn't done that (yet anyway). I've got good friends in the US and I am very worried about them, I'm just not sure you're betting on the right horse by asking for outside nation-state aid. Rightly or wrongly they'll see that Trump was elected legally and they're never going to invade a country on that basis. There was zero talk of repercussions for Germany until Hitler invaded Poland because he followed the democratic process (or successfully manipulated it) to get elected and assume total power.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    With all due respect, if this is the first you're hearing of any of this, then no you are not following the situation "pretty closely."

    The hundreds of bomb threats from Russian servers on election day alone should be enough to convince people that some hinky shit was going on.

    There's all kinds of stuff on Bluesky, discussion on reddit and lemmy, lots of reliable sources like AP News, The Atlantic, and Gizmodo, as well as recordings of interviews with Musk, and of Trump rallies. There's also hard ballot data from at least a few counties that has been studied by highly qualified analysts, and matches trends we see in elections in other countries that we know were a sham.

    I could keep going but I'm tired and it's just not worth it. You're obviously skeptical, and that's just human nature, but how am I supposed to convince a skeptic from another country who isn't witnessing or experiencing this first hand? I'm not going to spin my wheels tracking down evidence for you, it's not a good use of the limited energy I have left. If you're truly curious the information is out there.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I'm not skeptical at all - I'm simply unaware of what you're talking about. When I say I'm following the situation pretty closely I mean the political situation as reported in the mainstream press. I don't think anyone who's from a country not directly involved is going to be aware of every resource unless its a special interest of theirs or its their job. I wouldn't expect someone not from the UK to be up to date with the latst developments of the Reform Party and how they're trying to swing the narrative here. If you have links, link 'em, I will definitely read them all. I'm asking you to lift my ignorance on the subject.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    See the edit to my OG comment. But know that I think you have some nerve denying that any of this is happening when you don't even live in this country. Which you conveniently didn't mention in your first reply to me.

    I have seen more than one of these issues first hand, I will not try to convince a complete stranger of my lived experiences.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Don't be silly. Where have I denied this is happening? I've already said to you I was unaware of what you were talking about and asked you to inform me. Whats all this posturing about? When did Lemmy become a place where anyone has to inform anyone else of what country they do or don't live in?

    You want the outside world to take notice? Maybe a good start would be to help those who are interested but not familiar with the level of detail you are to the knowledge about your country you assume we all already have. By adding context to your original comment you've already made it ten times more useful to people like me.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    As someone who’s been watching this, I appreciate your willingness to grow.

    TBH, it does come across a bit as gaslighting on your part: Making reference to Christmas & Turkey’s, and making authoritative statements that “no, it’s not happening“ doesn’t seem to me like the approach of someone who is genuinely open and curious to learn.

    The so-called posturing is probably defensiveness on the part of a person whose views are being actively invalidated and shot down.

    Please reread your original comment and take some time to reflect (I say this as someone w/ a long history of putting foot in mouth, and will probably continue doing so inadvertently…)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Why did you put "no its not happening" in quotes as though I said that when I said no such thing?

    My first comment was made without the benefit of knowing anything at all about the idea that the election was stolen. I am far from unique in that opinion as it seems even some US citizens were unaware of it. Simply posting assertions which, on the face of it, seem improbable, without any kind of source to provide context to those claims isn't going to inspire trust. If those links had been posted immediately I and others could've read them and had a more informed response.

    From the moment I was told about this, my response changed to asking for more information - I said that I was clearly ignorant on the subject and asked to be educated on it.

    There is a world of difference between someones views being shot down and someone being totally unaware and asking for sources to learn more.

    Its a sad truth that there are a substantial amount of US citizens who seem to think that the entire world must know every intricate detail of the US political and legal system because America is the centre of the world. And then, when the rest of us admit we actually don't, accusations of gaslighting and invalidation. No ones being gaslit or invalidated - we're just not exposed or familiar with the same level of detail as you because we don't live there. If you're going to make a post essentially asking for the outside world to intervene, a good pace to start is by putting all the information there from the start, not going into a massive sulk because we're not aware of the details.

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