I am a massive critic of 12-step programs, but she credits it for getting her out of the MAGA cult and admitting that what she did was wrong, so they do have some value.

Anyone can be ushered into a cult if their channels of information are limited, especially in this increasingly isolated world. Something related I'd estimate is true of most people, regardless of affiliation, is that they can be viciously loyal to communities they strongly identify with.

When chances arise that they might be receptive to it, the right person/people can reach out to misled folks like her. Condescending or patronizing them will just push them away. Should be obvious no one is going to listen to people they perceive as not recognizing their dignity as a human being.

Probably the only ones among that crowd that are truly impossible to reach would be the subset that are as narcissistic as Trump himself and see themselves in him-- the ones who do fully get what Trump is doing, and like it. Many of them are likely in hate groups or working in positions of authority because they want to power trip over others. The rest are just ordinary people who were brought up in a way that made an opening for them to be duped.

I know, it's honestly kind of terrifying

Thanks for the correction. I shouldn't use those terms interchangeably.

That's not accurate either. Jail is also for after you're convicted of misdemeanors.

I didn't read it. A day or two before this was posted, I watched a video commentary where the clip of her interview was played. I heard it in her own words. Unfortunately I go through a lot in a week so I don't remember whose video I saw it on. The interview was originally on MSNBC though, so you can probably find the original clip by searching for that.