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[β] Rooskie91@discuss.online 36 points 2 years ago (4 children) Is 1984 banned? That was mandatory reading... permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 33 points 2 years ago* (4 children) It and Fahrenheit 451 are, ironically, among some of the most banned books in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was banned in both the Soviet Union and the US. In the Soviet Union it was banned for being anti-communist. In the US it was banned for being communist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah he was just anti-authoritarian and both the US and USSR governments saw themselves reflected in the text permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It comes down to framing. You put Animal Farm (unapologetically anti-Soviet Union) and 1984 (more broadly anti-authoritarian) on the required reading list for high schools. You haven't provided any education around Marxist theory anywhere in the curriculum besides "communism bad". That lets you transfer the idea that the USSR is representative of all leftist thought, and these books are about the USSR. Breeze over all the stuff in 1984 that points to any kind of leftist theory--which Orwell helps with because he expects people to get bored and skip that whole bit--and boom, Orwell becomes an anti-leftist icon. If Homage to Catalonia were also added to the curriculum, this whole farce would be torn down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The US school system does not allow for truth to be more complicated than "COMMUNISTS BAD, AMERICA GOOD". Anything more complex and nuanced than that and the poor kids would get an aneurysm from to much thinking permalink fedilink source parent [β] Madison420@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Footloose amusingly enough as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Is it because the title track has the line "kick off your Sunday shoes?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Presumably because it's about a real thing that made them scared in the 1800s and they're scared they'll be scared of being scared. permalink fedilink source parent [+] TurtleSoup@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago That's funny, they were both required reading where I am in the U.S. permalink fedilink source parent [β] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, and I'm glad that it is. record skip, everyone stares at HawlSera awkwardly, guns are cocked and pointed at her Because when you tell a people that a piece of media is too evil and vile to ever be looked at, that only makes them wanna read it more. I guruan-fucking-tee more people have read 1984 now that they're not allowed to! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Points for self awareness, and for Streisand effect. permalink fedilink source parent [β] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago As others have told you, yes. And the worst part is the justification is usually because Winston and Julia have sex. And it's not titillating. Orwell was not exactly writing erotica. permalink fedilink source parent [β] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago yes they are literally banned at most schools in my state. Along with books that have LGBT charicters in them permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 33 points 2 years ago* (4 children) It and Fahrenheit 451 are, ironically, among some of the most banned books in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was banned in both the Soviet Union and the US. In the Soviet Union it was banned for being anti-communist. In the US it was banned for being communist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah he was just anti-authoritarian and both the US and USSR governments saw themselves reflected in the text permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It comes down to framing. You put Animal Farm (unapologetically anti-Soviet Union) and 1984 (more broadly anti-authoritarian) on the required reading list for high schools. You haven't provided any education around Marxist theory anywhere in the curriculum besides "communism bad". That lets you transfer the idea that the USSR is representative of all leftist thought, and these books are about the USSR. Breeze over all the stuff in 1984 that points to any kind of leftist theory--which Orwell helps with because he expects people to get bored and skip that whole bit--and boom, Orwell becomes an anti-leftist icon. If Homage to Catalonia were also added to the curriculum, this whole farce would be torn down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The US school system does not allow for truth to be more complicated than "COMMUNISTS BAD, AMERICA GOOD". Anything more complex and nuanced than that and the poor kids would get an aneurysm from to much thinking permalink fedilink source parent [β] Madison420@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Footloose amusingly enough as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Is it because the title track has the line "kick off your Sunday shoes?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Presumably because it's about a real thing that made them scared in the 1800s and they're scared they'll be scared of being scared. permalink fedilink source parent [+] TurtleSoup@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago That's funny, they were both required reading where I am in the U.S. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was banned in both the Soviet Union and the US. In the Soviet Union it was banned for being anti-communist. In the US it was banned for being communist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah he was just anti-authoritarian and both the US and USSR governments saw themselves reflected in the text permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It comes down to framing. You put Animal Farm (unapologetically anti-Soviet Union) and 1984 (more broadly anti-authoritarian) on the required reading list for high schools. You haven't provided any education around Marxist theory anywhere in the curriculum besides "communism bad". That lets you transfer the idea that the USSR is representative of all leftist thought, and these books are about the USSR. Breeze over all the stuff in 1984 that points to any kind of leftist theory--which Orwell helps with because he expects people to get bored and skip that whole bit--and boom, Orwell becomes an anti-leftist icon. If Homage to Catalonia were also added to the curriculum, this whole farce would be torn down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The US school system does not allow for truth to be more complicated than "COMMUNISTS BAD, AMERICA GOOD". Anything more complex and nuanced than that and the poor kids would get an aneurysm from to much thinking permalink fedilink source parent
[+] fxomt@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah he was just anti-authoritarian and both the US and USSR governments saw themselves reflected in the text permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It comes down to framing. You put Animal Farm (unapologetically anti-Soviet Union) and 1984 (more broadly anti-authoritarian) on the required reading list for high schools. You haven't provided any education around Marxist theory anywhere in the curriculum besides "communism bad". That lets you transfer the idea that the USSR is representative of all leftist thought, and these books are about the USSR. Breeze over all the stuff in 1984 that points to any kind of leftist theory--which Orwell helps with because he expects people to get bored and skip that whole bit--and boom, Orwell becomes an anti-leftist icon. If Homage to Catalonia were also added to the curriculum, this whole farce would be torn down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The US school system does not allow for truth to be more complicated than "COMMUNISTS BAD, AMERICA GOOD". Anything more complex and nuanced than that and the poor kids would get an aneurysm from to much thinking permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah he was just anti-authoritarian and both the US and USSR governments saw themselves reflected in the text permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It comes down to framing. You put Animal Farm (unapologetically anti-Soviet Union) and 1984 (more broadly anti-authoritarian) on the required reading list for high schools. You haven't provided any education around Marxist theory anywhere in the curriculum besides "communism bad". That lets you transfer the idea that the USSR is representative of all leftist thought, and these books are about the USSR. Breeze over all the stuff in 1984 that points to any kind of leftist theory--which Orwell helps with because he expects people to get bored and skip that whole bit--and boom, Orwell becomes an anti-leftist icon. If Homage to Catalonia were also added to the curriculum, this whole farce would be torn down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The US school system does not allow for truth to be more complicated than "COMMUNISTS BAD, AMERICA GOOD". Anything more complex and nuanced than that and the poor kids would get an aneurysm from to much thinking permalink fedilink source parent
[+] fxomt@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It comes down to framing. You put Animal Farm (unapologetically anti-Soviet Union) and 1984 (more broadly anti-authoritarian) on the required reading list for high schools. You haven't provided any education around Marxist theory anywhere in the curriculum besides "communism bad". That lets you transfer the idea that the USSR is representative of all leftist thought, and these books are about the USSR. Breeze over all the stuff in 1984 that points to any kind of leftist theory--which Orwell helps with because he expects people to get bored and skip that whole bit--and boom, Orwell becomes an anti-leftist icon. If Homage to Catalonia were also added to the curriculum, this whole farce would be torn down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The US school system does not allow for truth to be more complicated than "COMMUNISTS BAD, AMERICA GOOD". Anything more complex and nuanced than that and the poor kids would get an aneurysm from to much thinking permalink fedilink source parent
[β] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It comes down to framing. You put Animal Farm (unapologetically anti-Soviet Union) and 1984 (more broadly anti-authoritarian) on the required reading list for high schools. You haven't provided any education around Marxist theory anywhere in the curriculum besides "communism bad". That lets you transfer the idea that the USSR is representative of all leftist thought, and these books are about the USSR. Breeze over all the stuff in 1984 that points to any kind of leftist theory--which Orwell helps with because he expects people to get bored and skip that whole bit--and boom, Orwell becomes an anti-leftist icon. If Homage to Catalonia were also added to the curriculum, this whole farce would be torn down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] fxomt@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The US school system does not allow for truth to be more complicated than "COMMUNISTS BAD, AMERICA GOOD". Anything more complex and nuanced than that and the poor kids would get an aneurysm from to much thinking permalink fedilink source parent
[+] fxomt@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The US school system does not allow for truth to be more complicated than "COMMUNISTS BAD, AMERICA GOOD". Anything more complex and nuanced than that and the poor kids would get an aneurysm from to much thinking permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The US school system does not allow for truth to be more complicated than "COMMUNISTS BAD, AMERICA GOOD". Anything more complex and nuanced than that and the poor kids would get an aneurysm from to much thinking permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Madison420@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Footloose amusingly enough as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Is it because the title track has the line "kick off your Sunday shoes?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Presumably because it's about a real thing that made them scared in the 1800s and they're scared they'll be scared of being scared. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Is it because the title track has the line "kick off your Sunday shoes?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Presumably because it's about a real thing that made them scared in the 1800s and they're scared they'll be scared of being scared. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Presumably because it's about a real thing that made them scared in the 1800s and they're scared they'll be scared of being scared. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago That's funny, they were both required reading where I am in the U.S. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, and I'm glad that it is. record skip, everyone stares at HawlSera awkwardly, guns are cocked and pointed at her Because when you tell a people that a piece of media is too evil and vile to ever be looked at, that only makes them wanna read it more. I guruan-fucking-tee more people have read 1984 now that they're not allowed to! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Points for self awareness, and for Streisand effect. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Points for self awareness, and for Streisand effect. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago As others have told you, yes. And the worst part is the justification is usually because Winston and Julia have sex. And it's not titillating. Orwell was not exactly writing erotica. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago yes they are literally banned at most schools in my state. Along with books that have LGBT charicters in them permalink fedilink source parent