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Suggestion/discussion: Should we add "incel" to the no-no word list? (hexbear.net)

submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I don't know, but this comment from @[email protected] has given me some stuff to think about.

People should not think less of you on the base of the amount of sex you have, and you shouldn't either.

This is a nice thought, but insults based on amount of sex are absurdly common. I have seen quite a few people on this site who still do these insults, and it doesn't get removed when I report it. The incel article from a while go was about how we should critique incels for their misogyny rather than them failing to have sex, I see this as pretty similar to the arguments about not body-shaming fascists in that most of the people who will get hit by the insult are not the actual target. From what I remember, that article good job explaining why these insults are harmful and how they hurt a lot of people who they really shouldn't, unfortunately the discussion on that post was very off topic. In my experience, most people who have sex fail to recognize that not everyone who is celibate is an incel ("If so many terrible people have sex and you can't, that must mean you are worse than they are!").

I would say that insults based on amount of sex a person has should not be allowed, but I am very pessimistic about this actually leading to a change in site culture.

Once again, please assume good faith, even if you disagree with the take. If you think I mean something weirdly reactionairy by this post, ask me wether that is what I mean, instead of just saying that's what I mean please.
I don't want this to become a strugglesession, I just feel like this would be a good discussion to have. If this does become hostile, then please lock/remove it mods.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago

Nazi doesn't include the German word for socialist. The German word for socialist is Sozialist, that's obviously not included in Nazi. What is included in Nazi is only the "National" prefix the nazis used in their self descriptor Nationalsozialist, and that's specifically because German antifascists didn't want to refer to them as any kind of Sozialisten and stuck with a shorter word that centers the Hitlerists' nationalism while leaving out the bogus claims to be socialist or a workers' party. Terms like NS or Third Reich are parlance made up and used by the Hitlerists themselves, but Nazi and Hitlerist aren't, these are leftist inventions (with Hitlerist specifically being ML jargon).

Incels, otoh, adopted the term incel on their own after it was coined as a self descriptor by an involuntarily celibate woman on her blog. It became widely known only because ultra-misogynist online communities used it for themselves, and the adoption of that term meant they largely phased out terms like foreveralone, permavirgin etc.