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this post was submitted on 13 Jan 2025
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I am so out of the loop on this. People care about what instance they are on?
Yes! It's a sad, sad world. It mostly has to do with people's political opinions on moderators, i.e. ".ml are tankies" and ".world are right-wing normie fascists" or something like that. I have never — literally never — witnessed a .ml mod doing something I thought was bad. I have also seen only one tankie since I joined .ml. I have witnessed some kind of conflict between .world and .ml everytime single time I open Lemmy though. Kind of depressing. I wish we could make less of a deal of an issue that, all things considered, seems pretty small. Ah well, that aside, Lemmy is still great, it will just take time to mature — like all social platforms in their beginnings!
Pretty much the same for me. I've seen many posts and comments complaining about those kinds of things from .ml and .world; but close to zero of the actual behaviour that people complain about.
The other day I was on all and ended up reading a comment chain and saw something like "Cuba is a democracy, and for proof just look at the official website of the central party."
I found it ridiculous to essentially say "Doug is a skilled electrician, for proof look at this note Doug wrote saying he's a skilled electrician."
This made me a dirty shitlib (I guess the instance I signed up on makes me a liberal). The reaction seemed intense so I checked and it was .ml, so I assume it's a rivalry thing.
You'll see me venting and shitting on eg conservatives but I don't go around calling people these things. You probably don't either. But clearly there are users categorizing us into labels and associating us with our instances regardless of merit.
You were given the official outline on how Cuban Democracy works. What genuine reason do you have to not trust the structure reported? It isn't in dispute or anything. Further, there were other non-cuban sources listed on that thread. When you were asked what source would count as valid for you, you were silent, but now you're complaining in an entirely different thread, which is kinda funny.
It wasn't your instance, it was your attitude.
I'm not complaining, I'm giving you a relevant example of where these labels come from. It's .ml and .world and I just don't have any recent memory of this on .world. I'm sure there's an example or two, just not recent.
I was silent because I wasn't sure what people were saying. I don't think people who disagree with what I say are necessarily misinformed, or less intelligent, or mean. So it comes down to how I am certain people (including you) know that what is written on paper and what flows in reality are not 1:1 matches. But they tell me something they wouldn't accept if they were in my shoes.
Maybe that skepticism sounds ridiculous? But if structure is important and reality can be different and everyone knows this I think it's odd to see officially meaningless official material in the room. Why can't we throw it out?
Edit: imagine we're pointing out that America is controlled by billionaires and someone links the official site saying "No, it's still three branches and the will of the people." You toss it immediately.
To speak of the Cuban system, it's important to recognize that your skepticism almost certainly originates in perceptions formed by Western media. The structure itself is honest, it's what they literally have. Whether or not this is sufficient, or working well, is a separate argument, but not the one you made. Your argument seemed to be that we can't even trust the Cuban government to report on its own legal structures, which is as silly as saying going and looking up US legal code could be fake because we don't trust the US government.
What reasoning did you have to distrust the Cuban government on its own structures? What source would have been better and thus more reliable for you? No source is free from bias, but things like legal structures tend to be fairly straightforward. Now, if I were linking an article where the Cuban government was talking about how its democratic structure is the best in the world, that leans heavily into opinionated territory and the bias shines through more clearly. However, again, we were talking about the literal structure, which is evidently democratic.
I think I'm mixing up your statement of a basic datum, the way Cuba is written to be, with the idea that it's indicative of what you'll likely find. Hence, I was skeptical of the utility of using the written system as meaningful to the statement that Cuba was democratic. Like if people are going to talk about that, I assume it's not a technicality they are referring to, they are talking about real people living in a real country... so what good is the official parties word on how things are operating?
Also didn't even realize you were the same person from the other thread, didn't mean to show up here and bother you.
Quick correction: you didn't bother me, I saw you commenting here about the meme I posted and wanted to set the record straight on my end. I am a different person from the one you initially replied to on this thread, so no worries.
As for Cuba, there is a large variance in what people who think Cuba isn't democratic actually believe. There are many people who think they don't even have elections, or are otherwise entirely unfamiliar with the Cuban electoral structure. For these people, looking at what the Cuban government says about its structure is massive, there's really no reason not to trust their stated legal structure as reality just like there isn't much reason to think US legal code isn't reality either.
Once we are aligned on structure, then we can talk about how well the structure performs, or what hang-ups it may or may not have. Once everyone knows at least what the Cuban system is, then we can discuss how it works in practice. Without evidence of the system not working well, though, all that remains as a negative opinion on Cuba is through the lens of a media apparatus under the control of an Imperialist regime that seeks to recolonize Cuba.
Does that make sense? To use your own example, I would trust DPRK legal code to be enforced as it says it is, the effectiveness or net results are what can be debated on.
It might help people to see some local journalistic coverage of Cuban elections. Seeing the kinds of things Cubans say publicly about and during the elections can give people a more intuitive understanding of what Cuban democracy is actually like for the people participating in it, as well as start to reveal the outlines of the overton window there.
Journalism is my preferred medium for understanding the political landscape of other countries; for an example I like to watch friendlyjordies on youtube for a peek into Australian politics. I'm not sure if it would be very easy to find English translated Cuban sources though.
You're on the money with most Cuban sources being in Spanish, it's not as common to find English sources.
Like I said I was starting on "step 2" where you start with internal + external analyses = a result. A system is what is written and what is lived, I just assume it's where we start in politics / economics / whatever. What is prescribed is a simple data point. That's why I looked at the statements "Cuba is X, for proof here's the governments website" as absurd. I didn't realize people were speaking about hypotheticals, and reacted at the idea that someone would use that kind of logic to explain how something functions in reality.
"Cuba's democratic structure is X" does not provoke suspicion of what X is without reason. Further, there were other websites provided.
Starting to really be able to sniff out the AI propaganda bots. It’s not just defending centrism— it’s the LENGTH of their responses.
They’re always a wall o’ text
I'm pretty active with talking to users here and haven't noticed any AI bots, though I also do the wall of text bit.
Because you always have good takes
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Confirmed, Cowbee is an AI but with good takes!
Fr though, are you really a leftist if you don't respond with a wall of text occasionally?
Noooo you found it out....
But fair, lol. I've been trying to cut back on the walls and get to the point more, lol
Every wall I've seen from you has been very informative. Sometimes additional context is needed for a complex topic/point to make sense and as concise as you may try to be, the question deserves a longer answer. Besides walls of text are a meme at this point and we must stick with tradition!
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words!
...what? I just scrolled the comments for this meme because it got a bunch of traction, and I'm a sucker for that.
Blahaj.zone ain't sending their best.
Yea this was confusing lol
One of the nice things about Lemmy is that people are willing to actually discuss things with multiple sentences and even paragraphs (gasp) rather than it being a fire hose of quips and one-liners.
This is why microblogging is garbage: it structurally only allows hot takes & shitposts.
The microblogging format is truly awful. I've seen professors and incredibly smart writers get into childish feuds with each other, because the format almost encourages it by rewarding dunks and gotchas.
Forcing people to try to communicate over text without paragraphs, or any way to make themselves more clear, is not a good system.
Would you care to elaborate?
Edit: Well, to be fair, I could have paragraphed a little more effectively.
Hahaha all you gotta do to get a human is respond to one of their walls & call them out on being an AI. Then they go grab a representative to waltz in & make it seem like they’re not
TheMoreYouKnow.jif
You could at least try to be civil. I am still curious as to what your original reply meant though. Are you calling me centrist? I am communist, how in the world could I simultaneously be centrist? Furthermore, I wasn't — as far as I'm aware — stating any kind of political opinion with my original reply.
Please, I beg you, elaborate. I would appreciate that a lot more than jumping to conclusions.
Congratulations, you failed the Turing test.
I don't care at all! Greetings from Italy!
I don't give a fuck. I know .ml and .world don't get along. I know that people disliked hexbear (they are pretty silent, dunno if they changed policies). I want everyone to be here.
I care it’s not .world
I'd say not in mine. I'd say we are usually peaceful.