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Yes, you continue repeating a demonstrably false statement. A very astute observation on your part.
Once again, nobody is talking about content of the messages. What's being said is that the identifying information about people sending and receiving messages is available to the server routing them. The fact that you continue ignoring this basic fact clearly shows that you're the one who's doing the trolling.
Trolling or ignorant. Or a secret third thing.
JWZ has had to go through the same kinds of circular conversations.
I find it fascinating that these people show up in every thread about Signal, and they just spam the same nonsense.
I like to think that it’s usually just because they’re socially invested in it.
It does very much feel like a cult.
Neither. I explained my/our rationale above. Your disinformation is making people unsafe.
Signal does not leak your phone number to anyone. You/they are just ignorant as to how the service works. Signal will notify you if someone YOU HAVE IN YOUR CONTACTS joins the network. It will not give you any of their personal information. Their ID will show up as whatever is already in your contacts.
How much personal information Signal does or does not reveal to other Signal users is not relevant to this conversation.
Then why did you bring it into the conversation?
I didn’t.
This conversation is about the the US security state. It’s about the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc.
LOL you did. The title of the link you shared is "signal leaks your phone number to everyone in your contacts".
I didn’t say that. You must be confusing me with someone else in this thread. But since you brought it up: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2017/03/signal-leaks-your-phone-number-to-everyone-in-your-contacts/
But I’m more concerned about the security state angle.
Edit to add: I see, yes, one of the links I posted did say that, which I highlighted above. But again I’m more interested in the fact that Signal is a product of Radio Free Asia, which is a US security state outfit. https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/signal-facing-collapse-after-cia-cuts-funding
....who are you trying to fool? It's there for everyone to see...?
As I already stated, this is incorrect. It's not how it works. And after publishing such obviously incorrect information, I wouldn't trust anything they said.
If you’re going to continue denying our lived experiences with Signal, why should we allow you continue commenting on our Lemmy instance?
Okay, so you are saying that now...? I honestly don't know how you expect anyone to take you seriously at this point.
I'm not denying your experience, I'm denying your interpretation of your experience. You don't get a special version of the app that's different from ours. They all work the same.
As I explained above, what you may have interpreted as Signal sharing your contact info was actually just Signal notifying all of the people that already have your contact information that you joined the service, using the information those people already have...
Given than I deleted Signal years ago now, I don’t much care about this phone number sharing/not sharing aspect.
But in case anyone does care, Moxie responded to jwz’s concerns in that ancient post: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2017/03/signal-leaks-your-phone-number-to-everyone-in-your-contacts/#comment-172865
If you don't care then stop arguing about it. Personally, I care very much about people spreading disinformation.
Yeah sorry: my bringing up JWZ as an example of past circular arguments I’ve come across devolved into a whole tangent thread I never meant to have.
Okay, you've sufficiently demonstrated not only that you don't know what you're talking about but also that you have no evidence to back it up and your only recourse is repetition and personal insults so I'm gonna call it a night.
The only one making claims without evidence here is you bud. What I said is that Signal requires users to submit their phone numbers, and that only people operating the server know how that information is handled. These are objective facts.
You made a baseless claim that Signal does not retain the phone numbers or use them to build graphs of users. This is a claim that cannot be proven, and you keep repeating it as fact. Either you are clueless or you're intentionally spreading misinformation.
So you've run out of personal insults and repetition and are just moving on to blatant lies now...
What lies are you referring to, please be specific.