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[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago (33 children)

Yeah... so does not... that's the whole damn trolley problem thing... there were clear and defined outcomes for not pulling the switch. May have been justifiable, not even debating that, but you still own the choice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago (18 children)

you can't be responsible for something you didn't cause. that's not how responsibility works.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago (15 children)

There are differing opinions on that depending on which philosopher is at the switch. What doesn't change is they all have to watch the carnage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

but some of them choose to become murderers

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

No, all of them did. Through action or inaction. So again, if it was in service of a better tomorrow so be it, but it is what it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

you can't murder through inaction, unless words don't mean anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

If the risk of death or bodily harm is great enough, ignoring it demonstrates a "depraved indifference" to human life and the resulting death is considered to have been committed with malice aforethought.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

In United States law, depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is a type of murder where an individual acts with a "depraved indifference" to human life and where such acts result in a death, despite that individual not explicitly intending to kill. In a depraved-heart murder, defendants commit an act even though they know their act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to a person. If the risk of death or bodily harm is great enough, ignoring it demonstrates a "depraved indifference" to human life and the resulting death is considered to have been committed with malice aforethought.

why wouldn't you show the whole paragraph?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t understand how can it be cherry-picking when it is a reply to a comment, which stated in it’s entirety

you can't murder through inaction, unless words don't mean anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

the full definition requires an act. you cherry picked one ambiguously worded section.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Summaries are by definition ambiguous. They’re quick overviews of a subject, not in-depth analysis. If I wanted to cherry pick like a troll, I wouldn’t have linked to a source, which itself has footnotes.

As far as US law is concerned, it is entirely possible to murder through inaction. That is my only point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

that's not what your source says.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

We understand English differently. There’s no point in continuing this conversation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

Thanks. You too!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

It ["depraved heart" murder] is the form [of murder] that establishes that the wilful doing of a dangerous and reckless act with wanton indifference to the consequences and perils involved is just as blameworthy, and just as worthy of punishment, when the harmful result ensues as is the express intent to kill itself. This highly blameworthy state of mind is not one of mere negligence... It is not merely one even of gross criminal negligence... It involves rather the deliberate perpetration of a knowingly dangerous act with reckless and wanton unconcern and indifference as to whether anyone is harmed or not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

Murder, maybe not, but "allow to die through in-action" sure can.

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