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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 34 points 2 years ago (11 children) "Free speech, as long as I like it." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 2 years ago (10 children) The free speech Musk believes in is his ironclad right to speak. To him, contradiction is not speech, and he seems baffled whenever it happens, like he's just been slapped with a fish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 years ago (9 children) Musk isn’t confused at all. He’s been lying about believing in free speech this whole time. He’s an oligarch—literally the richest person in the world—who bought 𝕏itter in order to control speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 years ago (5 children) Just to be clear, I'm not trying to say that Musk is confused about what free speech is -- I'm saying he's confused when he hears ideas that conflict with his worldview. He cannot process the idea that contradiction of his beliefs should even be possible and that drives him wild with rage. I think it's important to understand that Musk doesn't think of most other human beings as "people" and he does not consider what they say as "speech". His worldview is entirely solipsistic and the only speech that exists is the speech he produces and the reflections of it that come back to him. To Musk, everything else is the braying of animals with diseased minds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (4 children) This take is so very, very specific 😅 Are you a psychologist or similar? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] manicdave@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's not that specific. It fits a lot of Social Darwinists that were born into money. Most just have the good sense to keep their voices down in public. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The solipsism and all this kind of stuff is very specific to me. Just because it "fits" doesn't mean it's actually the case though. Do you personally know people like this, that also keep their voices down? Like, are there any examples to share? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manicdave@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's a pretty common belief in elite circles. For example the Trilateral commission describes itself as an organisation focused on "our roots as a group of countries sharing common values and a commitment to the rule of law, open economies and societies, and democratic principles" yet it was specifically set up to stem "excess democracy" in Europe and the US. They don't see it as hypocritical. Democracy for them and democracy for you are two different things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I couldn't find anything on solipsism on that page and I read quite far and did a search in the article. How do we know that solipsism is a common belief among the elite? The belief that the world outside of one's own mind cannot be known, that it can't be known whether it's real or actually rather a product of one's own mind? To me this seems like a very specific philosophical view that people might consider sometimes, but not really hold themselves to. You'd think people would stop caring what happens to them if they believed this to be the case. But you're claiming with such confidence that this is a matter of fact in elite circles. How are you so sure? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) He was forced to buy twitter. He did not want it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago That’s what the media told us, anyway. Maybe it’s somewhat true, but oligarchs buy the media all the time, not because they’re especially profitable but because they’re especially influential. The slippery slope of the oligarchy media model permalink fedilink source parent [–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I wish Twitter would have just left well enough alone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 2 years ago (10 children) The free speech Musk believes in is his ironclad right to speak. To him, contradiction is not speech, and he seems baffled whenever it happens, like he's just been slapped with a fish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 years ago (9 children) Musk isn’t confused at all. He’s been lying about believing in free speech this whole time. He’s an oligarch—literally the richest person in the world—who bought 𝕏itter in order to control speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 years ago (5 children) Just to be clear, I'm not trying to say that Musk is confused about what free speech is -- I'm saying he's confused when he hears ideas that conflict with his worldview. He cannot process the idea that contradiction of his beliefs should even be possible and that drives him wild with rage. I think it's important to understand that Musk doesn't think of most other human beings as "people" and he does not consider what they say as "speech". His worldview is entirely solipsistic and the only speech that exists is the speech he produces and the reflections of it that come back to him. To Musk, everything else is the braying of animals with diseased minds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (4 children) This take is so very, very specific 😅 Are you a psychologist or similar? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] manicdave@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's not that specific. It fits a lot of Social Darwinists that were born into money. Most just have the good sense to keep their voices down in public. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The solipsism and all this kind of stuff is very specific to me. Just because it "fits" doesn't mean it's actually the case though. Do you personally know people like this, that also keep their voices down? Like, are there any examples to share? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manicdave@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's a pretty common belief in elite circles. For example the Trilateral commission describes itself as an organisation focused on "our roots as a group of countries sharing common values and a commitment to the rule of law, open economies and societies, and democratic principles" yet it was specifically set up to stem "excess democracy" in Europe and the US. They don't see it as hypocritical. Democracy for them and democracy for you are two different things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I couldn't find anything on solipsism on that page and I read quite far and did a search in the article. How do we know that solipsism is a common belief among the elite? The belief that the world outside of one's own mind cannot be known, that it can't be known whether it's real or actually rather a product of one's own mind? To me this seems like a very specific philosophical view that people might consider sometimes, but not really hold themselves to. You'd think people would stop caring what happens to them if they believed this to be the case. But you're claiming with such confidence that this is a matter of fact in elite circles. How are you so sure? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) He was forced to buy twitter. He did not want it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago That’s what the media told us, anyway. Maybe it’s somewhat true, but oligarchs buy the media all the time, not because they’re especially profitable but because they’re especially influential. The slippery slope of the oligarchy media model permalink fedilink source parent [–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I wish Twitter would have just left well enough alone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 years ago (9 children) Musk isn’t confused at all. He’s been lying about believing in free speech this whole time. He’s an oligarch—literally the richest person in the world—who bought 𝕏itter in order to control speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 years ago (5 children) Just to be clear, I'm not trying to say that Musk is confused about what free speech is -- I'm saying he's confused when he hears ideas that conflict with his worldview. He cannot process the idea that contradiction of his beliefs should even be possible and that drives him wild with rage. I think it's important to understand that Musk doesn't think of most other human beings as "people" and he does not consider what they say as "speech". His worldview is entirely solipsistic and the only speech that exists is the speech he produces and the reflections of it that come back to him. To Musk, everything else is the braying of animals with diseased minds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (4 children) This take is so very, very specific 😅 Are you a psychologist or similar? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] manicdave@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's not that specific. It fits a lot of Social Darwinists that were born into money. Most just have the good sense to keep their voices down in public. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The solipsism and all this kind of stuff is very specific to me. Just because it "fits" doesn't mean it's actually the case though. Do you personally know people like this, that also keep their voices down? Like, are there any examples to share? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manicdave@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's a pretty common belief in elite circles. For example the Trilateral commission describes itself as an organisation focused on "our roots as a group of countries sharing common values and a commitment to the rule of law, open economies and societies, and democratic principles" yet it was specifically set up to stem "excess democracy" in Europe and the US. They don't see it as hypocritical. Democracy for them and democracy for you are two different things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I couldn't find anything on solipsism on that page and I read quite far and did a search in the article. How do we know that solipsism is a common belief among the elite? The belief that the world outside of one's own mind cannot be known, that it can't be known whether it's real or actually rather a product of one's own mind? To me this seems like a very specific philosophical view that people might consider sometimes, but not really hold themselves to. You'd think people would stop caring what happens to them if they believed this to be the case. But you're claiming with such confidence that this is a matter of fact in elite circles. How are you so sure? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) He was forced to buy twitter. He did not want it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago That’s what the media told us, anyway. Maybe it’s somewhat true, but oligarchs buy the media all the time, not because they’re especially profitable but because they’re especially influential. The slippery slope of the oligarchy media model permalink fedilink source parent [–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I wish Twitter would have just left well enough alone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 years ago (5 children) Just to be clear, I'm not trying to say that Musk is confused about what free speech is -- I'm saying he's confused when he hears ideas that conflict with his worldview. He cannot process the idea that contradiction of his beliefs should even be possible and that drives him wild with rage. I think it's important to understand that Musk doesn't think of most other human beings as "people" and he does not consider what they say as "speech". His worldview is entirely solipsistic and the only speech that exists is the speech he produces and the reflections of it that come back to him. To Musk, everything else is the braying of animals with diseased minds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (4 children) This take is so very, very specific 😅 Are you a psychologist or similar? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] manicdave@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's not that specific. It fits a lot of Social Darwinists that were born into money. Most just have the good sense to keep their voices down in public. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The solipsism and all this kind of stuff is very specific to me. Just because it "fits" doesn't mean it's actually the case though. Do you personally know people like this, that also keep their voices down? Like, are there any examples to share? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manicdave@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's a pretty common belief in elite circles. For example the Trilateral commission describes itself as an organisation focused on "our roots as a group of countries sharing common values and a commitment to the rule of law, open economies and societies, and democratic principles" yet it was specifically set up to stem "excess democracy" in Europe and the US. They don't see it as hypocritical. Democracy for them and democracy for you are two different things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I couldn't find anything on solipsism on that page and I read quite far and did a search in the article. How do we know that solipsism is a common belief among the elite? The belief that the world outside of one's own mind cannot be known, that it can't be known whether it's real or actually rather a product of one's own mind? To me this seems like a very specific philosophical view that people might consider sometimes, but not really hold themselves to. You'd think people would stop caring what happens to them if they believed this to be the case. But you're claiming with such confidence that this is a matter of fact in elite circles. How are you so sure? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victorz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (4 children) This take is so very, very specific 😅 Are you a psychologist or similar? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] manicdave@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's not that specific. It fits a lot of Social Darwinists that were born into money. Most just have the good sense to keep their voices down in public. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The solipsism and all this kind of stuff is very specific to me. Just because it "fits" doesn't mean it's actually the case though. Do you personally know people like this, that also keep their voices down? Like, are there any examples to share? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manicdave@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's a pretty common belief in elite circles. For example the Trilateral commission describes itself as an organisation focused on "our roots as a group of countries sharing common values and a commitment to the rule of law, open economies and societies, and democratic principles" yet it was specifically set up to stem "excess democracy" in Europe and the US. They don't see it as hypocritical. Democracy for them and democracy for you are two different things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I couldn't find anything on solipsism on that page and I read quite far and did a search in the article. How do we know that solipsism is a common belief among the elite? The belief that the world outside of one's own mind cannot be known, that it can't be known whether it's real or actually rather a product of one's own mind? To me this seems like a very specific philosophical view that people might consider sometimes, but not really hold themselves to. You'd think people would stop caring what happens to them if they believed this to be the case. But you're claiming with such confidence that this is a matter of fact in elite circles. How are you so sure? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] manicdave@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's not that specific. It fits a lot of Social Darwinists that were born into money. Most just have the good sense to keep their voices down in public. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The solipsism and all this kind of stuff is very specific to me. Just because it "fits" doesn't mean it's actually the case though. Do you personally know people like this, that also keep their voices down? Like, are there any examples to share? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manicdave@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's a pretty common belief in elite circles. For example the Trilateral commission describes itself as an organisation focused on "our roots as a group of countries sharing common values and a commitment to the rule of law, open economies and societies, and democratic principles" yet it was specifically set up to stem "excess democracy" in Europe and the US. They don't see it as hypocritical. Democracy for them and democracy for you are two different things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I couldn't find anything on solipsism on that page and I read quite far and did a search in the article. How do we know that solipsism is a common belief among the elite? The belief that the world outside of one's own mind cannot be known, that it can't be known whether it's real or actually rather a product of one's own mind? To me this seems like a very specific philosophical view that people might consider sometimes, but not really hold themselves to. You'd think people would stop caring what happens to them if they believed this to be the case. But you're claiming with such confidence that this is a matter of fact in elite circles. How are you so sure? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The solipsism and all this kind of stuff is very specific to me. Just because it "fits" doesn't mean it's actually the case though. Do you personally know people like this, that also keep their voices down? Like, are there any examples to share? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manicdave@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's a pretty common belief in elite circles. For example the Trilateral commission describes itself as an organisation focused on "our roots as a group of countries sharing common values and a commitment to the rule of law, open economies and societies, and democratic principles" yet it was specifically set up to stem "excess democracy" in Europe and the US. They don't see it as hypocritical. Democracy for them and democracy for you are two different things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I couldn't find anything on solipsism on that page and I read quite far and did a search in the article. How do we know that solipsism is a common belief among the elite? The belief that the world outside of one's own mind cannot be known, that it can't be known whether it's real or actually rather a product of one's own mind? To me this seems like a very specific philosophical view that people might consider sometimes, but not really hold themselves to. You'd think people would stop caring what happens to them if they believed this to be the case. But you're claiming with such confidence that this is a matter of fact in elite circles. How are you so sure? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] manicdave@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's a pretty common belief in elite circles. For example the Trilateral commission describes itself as an organisation focused on "our roots as a group of countries sharing common values and a commitment to the rule of law, open economies and societies, and democratic principles" yet it was specifically set up to stem "excess democracy" in Europe and the US. They don't see it as hypocritical. Democracy for them and democracy for you are two different things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I couldn't find anything on solipsism on that page and I read quite far and did a search in the article. How do we know that solipsism is a common belief among the elite? The belief that the world outside of one's own mind cannot be known, that it can't be known whether it's real or actually rather a product of one's own mind? To me this seems like a very specific philosophical view that people might consider sometimes, but not really hold themselves to. You'd think people would stop caring what happens to them if they believed this to be the case. But you're claiming with such confidence that this is a matter of fact in elite circles. How are you so sure? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I couldn't find anything on solipsism on that page and I read quite far and did a search in the article. How do we know that solipsism is a common belief among the elite? The belief that the world outside of one's own mind cannot be known, that it can't be known whether it's real or actually rather a product of one's own mind? To me this seems like a very specific philosophical view that people might consider sometimes, but not really hold themselves to. You'd think people would stop caring what happens to them if they believed this to be the case. But you're claiming with such confidence that this is a matter of fact in elite circles. How are you so sure? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) He was forced to buy twitter. He did not want it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago That’s what the media told us, anyway. Maybe it’s somewhat true, but oligarchs buy the media all the time, not because they’re especially profitable but because they’re especially influential. The slippery slope of the oligarchy media model permalink fedilink source parent [–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I wish Twitter would have just left well enough alone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago That’s what the media told us, anyway. Maybe it’s somewhat true, but oligarchs buy the media all the time, not because they’re especially profitable but because they’re especially influential. The slippery slope of the oligarchy media model permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I wish Twitter would have just left well enough alone. permalink fedilink source parent