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[–] CM400@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) This is a historically illiterate reply. The French Revolution was enacted by organized political resistance, not random assassinations. As the author points out, such acts never achieve any substantial or lasting change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep telling people here that you usually cannot cure a systemic issue with violence but they refuse to believe it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Please cite all the systemic issues solved with peace permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Really? Shall we start with this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think a CIA-backed movement qualifies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure what CIA involvement has to do with violence, but I think it's very interesting that you're denouncing the nonviolent revolution that got Putin's minions out of power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of the eventual violence that occurred. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The eventual violence being what, the war a decade later? "Eventual violence" does not prove that non-violence can cause systemic change any more than Napoleon being crowned emperor proves all popular revolutions against monarchies fail. And I gave you one single example. There are so many others. Of course, I'm sure you'll find some reason to say each one of them doesn't count. "One guy got his toes stomped on, so it was violent!" or "all the people involved were dead within 80 years!" That sort of thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) The only recent-ish example I can think of that actually applies is Gavrilo Princip, and the consequences were mostly accidental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago And also wildly catastrophic permalink fedilink source parent [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago Well I meant lasting positive change. This means building better systems—there’s just no other way to do it. Some assassinations have clearly altered the course of history but they didn’t really improve society. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CM400@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Organized vigilante violence, then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) This is a historically illiterate reply. The French Revolution was enacted by organized political resistance, not random assassinations. As the author points out, such acts never achieve any substantial or lasting change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep telling people here that you usually cannot cure a systemic issue with violence but they refuse to believe it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Please cite all the systemic issues solved with peace permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Really? Shall we start with this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think a CIA-backed movement qualifies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure what CIA involvement has to do with violence, but I think it's very interesting that you're denouncing the nonviolent revolution that got Putin's minions out of power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of the eventual violence that occurred. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The eventual violence being what, the war a decade later? "Eventual violence" does not prove that non-violence can cause systemic change any more than Napoleon being crowned emperor proves all popular revolutions against monarchies fail. And I gave you one single example. There are so many others. Of course, I'm sure you'll find some reason to say each one of them doesn't count. "One guy got his toes stomped on, so it was violent!" or "all the people involved were dead within 80 years!" That sort of thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) The only recent-ish example I can think of that actually applies is Gavrilo Princip, and the consequences were mostly accidental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago And also wildly catastrophic permalink fedilink source parent [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago Well I meant lasting positive change. This means building better systems—there’s just no other way to do it. Some assassinations have clearly altered the course of history but they didn’t really improve society. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CM400@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Organized vigilante violence, then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep telling people here that you usually cannot cure a systemic issue with violence but they refuse to believe it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Please cite all the systemic issues solved with peace permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Really? Shall we start with this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think a CIA-backed movement qualifies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure what CIA involvement has to do with violence, but I think it's very interesting that you're denouncing the nonviolent revolution that got Putin's minions out of power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of the eventual violence that occurred. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The eventual violence being what, the war a decade later? "Eventual violence" does not prove that non-violence can cause systemic change any more than Napoleon being crowned emperor proves all popular revolutions against monarchies fail. And I gave you one single example. There are so many others. Of course, I'm sure you'll find some reason to say each one of them doesn't count. "One guy got his toes stomped on, so it was violent!" or "all the people involved were dead within 80 years!" That sort of thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Please cite all the systemic issues solved with peace permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Really? Shall we start with this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think a CIA-backed movement qualifies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure what CIA involvement has to do with violence, but I think it's very interesting that you're denouncing the nonviolent revolution that got Putin's minions out of power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of the eventual violence that occurred. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The eventual violence being what, the war a decade later? "Eventual violence" does not prove that non-violence can cause systemic change any more than Napoleon being crowned emperor proves all popular revolutions against monarchies fail. And I gave you one single example. There are so many others. Of course, I'm sure you'll find some reason to say each one of them doesn't count. "One guy got his toes stomped on, so it was violent!" or "all the people involved were dead within 80 years!" That sort of thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Really? Shall we start with this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think a CIA-backed movement qualifies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure what CIA involvement has to do with violence, but I think it's very interesting that you're denouncing the nonviolent revolution that got Putin's minions out of power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of the eventual violence that occurred. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The eventual violence being what, the war a decade later? "Eventual violence" does not prove that non-violence can cause systemic change any more than Napoleon being crowned emperor proves all popular revolutions against monarchies fail. And I gave you one single example. There are so many others. Of course, I'm sure you'll find some reason to say each one of them doesn't count. "One guy got his toes stomped on, so it was violent!" or "all the people involved were dead within 80 years!" That sort of thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hark@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think a CIA-backed movement qualifies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure what CIA involvement has to do with violence, but I think it's very interesting that you're denouncing the nonviolent revolution that got Putin's minions out of power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of the eventual violence that occurred. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The eventual violence being what, the war a decade later? "Eventual violence" does not prove that non-violence can cause systemic change any more than Napoleon being crowned emperor proves all popular revolutions against monarchies fail. And I gave you one single example. There are so many others. Of course, I'm sure you'll find some reason to say each one of them doesn't count. "One guy got his toes stomped on, so it was violent!" or "all the people involved were dead within 80 years!" That sort of thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure what CIA involvement has to do with violence, but I think it's very interesting that you're denouncing the nonviolent revolution that got Putin's minions out of power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of the eventual violence that occurred. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The eventual violence being what, the war a decade later? "Eventual violence" does not prove that non-violence can cause systemic change any more than Napoleon being crowned emperor proves all popular revolutions against monarchies fail. And I gave you one single example. There are so many others. Of course, I'm sure you'll find some reason to say each one of them doesn't count. "One guy got his toes stomped on, so it was violent!" or "all the people involved were dead within 80 years!" That sort of thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of the eventual violence that occurred. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The eventual violence being what, the war a decade later? "Eventual violence" does not prove that non-violence can cause systemic change any more than Napoleon being crowned emperor proves all popular revolutions against monarchies fail. And I gave you one single example. There are so many others. Of course, I'm sure you'll find some reason to say each one of them doesn't count. "One guy got his toes stomped on, so it was violent!" or "all the people involved were dead within 80 years!" That sort of thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The eventual violence being what, the war a decade later? "Eventual violence" does not prove that non-violence can cause systemic change any more than Napoleon being crowned emperor proves all popular revolutions against monarchies fail. And I gave you one single example. There are so many others. Of course, I'm sure you'll find some reason to say each one of them doesn't count. "One guy got his toes stomped on, so it was violent!" or "all the people involved were dead within 80 years!" That sort of thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) The only recent-ish example I can think of that actually applies is Gavrilo Princip, and the consequences were mostly accidental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago And also wildly catastrophic permalink fedilink source parent [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago Well I meant lasting positive change. This means building better systems—there’s just no other way to do it. Some assassinations have clearly altered the course of history but they didn’t really improve society. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago And also wildly catastrophic permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago Well I meant lasting positive change. This means building better systems—there’s just no other way to do it. Some assassinations have clearly altered the course of history but they didn’t really improve society. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CM400@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Organized vigilante violence, then. permalink fedilink source parent