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I believe in socialism, but I feel Stalin shouldn't be idolised due to things like the Gulag.

I would like more people to become socialist, but I feel not condemning Stalin doesn't help the cause.

I've tried to have a constructieve conversation about this, but I basically get angry comments calling me stupid for believing he did atrocious things.

That's not how you win someone over.

I struggle to believe the Gulag etc. Never happened, and if it happened I firmly believe Stalin should be condemned.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Regarding the term "tankie," I actually disagree with what you're saying here. The term "tankie" is described to mean what you say, but the term is applied to people with the same analysis as myself, Roderic Day, and others who defend AES. I've even seen Anarchists labeled "tankie." The reason the word "tankie" is used is because it allows the thrower to terminate the conversation and misrepresent the accused as having all of the blind, dogmatic sins the term itself has been associated with, regardless of the actual bearings of the conversation at play.

The quantity of people who actually fit the term "tankie" is miniscule compared to the quantity the word is thrown at with regularity.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That sounds to me like you were just dealing with bad faith actors, which isn't uncommon here unfortunately.

I think we both agree on what it's intended use is meant to be for. I guess you've just had the misfortune of dealing with people misusing the label to shut down any actual discussion.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

What I am describing is by far the most common usage of the term I have seen, to the point that it might as well be the only usage. The intended usage of "tankie" has become weaponized discussion-avoidance and serves as a cheap copout to prevent tackling uncomfortable topics.